The Mystery of Hitchcock
Movies | David Watkins – 08:16am Apr 6, 1999 PST (# 261 of 308))
I protest against the depiction of Hitchcock as some sort of moral monster
- “a troll” as one poster called him.
Obviously he took pleasure in frightening his audience, but since his
audience took pleasure in being frightened, what right have we to
disapprove. I’m sure that nearly everybody in this thread takes an
ultra-liberal stance on kinky sex between consenting adults – isn’t the
principle identical?
Hitchcock’s wife and daughter, who surely knew him better than anybody else
could have, have been loyal to his memory. This must count for something.
His fondness for practical jokes didn’t alienate the people who worked for
him. Towards Tippi Hedren he does seem to have behaved very badly, but this
was one episode in a long life – haven’t we all done things we’d love to
forget. And OTOH Hedren owes her position as a minor but unchallengeable
movie icon only to Hitchcock. Without him she’d be a woman who once
appeared in a beer commercial.
I don’t see that his films, taken as a whole, are morally perverse. I think
he genuinely disapproved of cruelty, (real, not playful cruelty), and of
any creed that justifies cruelty. There is a story, the source of which I
don’t recall, that, travelling through France by train, he looked out of
the window, saw a little boy and a priest walking with the priest’s arm
resting on the boy’s shoulder, and commented quietly: “That’s the most
terrifying thing I’ve ever seen.”
Does anyone recall Stewart’s final speech in “Rope”? It goes something like
this: “That’s true. You’ve only put my theory into practice. Logically, I
should be with you. Well, I shall never trust logic again.” This, I
maintain, is the nearest thing to a moral manifesto in Hitchcock’s oeuvre.
Mental Illness and PC language
Mind and Spirit | Wyatt Parkinson – 05:53am Mar 10, 1999 PST (# 4 of 12)
Often those who call you “crazy” are doing so because you do not conform to
society’s standards. I believe there is Relative Insanity and Absolute
Insanity, but they often get confused. Relative Insanity depends on culture
and society, and Absolute Insanity is an actual physiological disfunction
of the brain. When you’re relatively insane, it could mean that either
you’re an insane person living in a sane society, or a sane person living
in an insane society (and often, it’s the latter). As with absolute
insanity, the physiological disfunction along with the often impulsive
behaviours that go along with it should truly indicate that the person is
insane.
As for PC, I find it annoying in that the people who promote it think that
changing language and dropping euphemisms everywhere will somehow unite
society and get rid of hatred. Of course, this is total bullshit, because
as it has already demonstrated, it only divides people and stirs up hatred.
There are better ways of bringing people together than reforming language.
One way is to bring communities back to together after they have been
ripped apart by the assembly-line housing and ubiquious shopping malls
created by suburban sprawl.
Does your mommyhood define you?
Mothers Who Think |maryanne – 05:54pm Apr 5, 1999 PST (# 8 of 101)
I work full-time as a professor at a university, I have a full and active
social life, lots of hobbies and always make sure that I have lots of
personal time….that said, I think that being a parent of 2 small children
is a big part of my identity. It’s an enormously important part of who I am
and how I spend my time. The same holds true for my husband who also
teaches full time, plays basketball every week, etc. So, of course, being a
parent defines me, it’s a central part of my life…but it’s also not the
ONLY part of my life….
But I love being a mother, it’s one of the best parts of my life, and if
someone wants to talk about parenting or family size or whatever…or wants
to praise my kids and tell me how great they are…I’m all for it! I don’t
feel like I have to resist that part of my identity or go around insisting
that motherhood DOESN”T DEFINE me, because I don’t think 1) that anyone
thinks that it does, and 2) it is an enormous, central part of my life and
I’m proud of that.
PC or not PC: Is the cure worse than the disease
Social issues |
Mark Seely – 08:30pm Jul 14, 1999 PDT (# 155 of 165)
People who are members of a class of race, religion, sexual orientation, or
the like, are no more important than people who are members of a class of
personality type, socioeconomic level, IQ, learning style, political party,
profession, marital status, etc. The former classes do not deserve any more
protection than the latter classes.
Many of the latter classes are treated poorly, too, you know. Why is there
a movement to single out some classes of people in preference for others?
What is the real motive behind hate crimes laws? It is certainly not a
moral motive. It is not a motive based in love or sympathy. Such a motive
would not distinguish between people on the basis of their class.
People who support hate crimes laws are saying that some motives for
non-self-defense murder are worse than others. That is wrong. No motive
aggravates the criminality of a murder. The idea that a non-self-defense
murder can be considered more or less bad, depending on the motive, is
garbage. Some examples of this politically/religiously motivated (as
opposed to morally motivated) thinking are:
1) Some people think that what the Nazis did to the Jews around World War
II was bad, or extra bad, because the Nazis killed people for their
ethnic/religious attributes. Wrong. What the Nazis did to the Jews around
World War II was bad because it was killing for no good reason.
2) Some people think that what John William King did to James Byrd, Jr.,
in Jasper, Texas (dragging him behind a pickup truck until he was dead)
was bad, or extra bad, because he killed Byrd because of his race. Wrong.
What King did to Byrd was bad because it was killing for no good reason….
Meaning of myth
Mind and spirit| Paul Scott – 03:20am Jul 16, 1999 PDT (# 113 of 117)
One of the many fascinations of mythology is the convulated interplay of
the universal and the specific. Just as a child toys with their identity
with horoscopes, so too do peoples play in a serious way with their myths.
As some scholars look for human nature, so too do other scholars look for
human differences. We find what we seek in such an infinite labyrinth.
Women’s World Cup — 1999
Sports | Saivan Lujan – 09:42am Jul 16, 1999 PDT (# 171 of 188)
I was very fortunate that despite being born in America, I was raised
abroad. That way, I can attest to the difficulty of relating to sports you
were not raised with.
Even though I played about a dozen baseball games, and half a dozen
American football games as a kid (in the many American schools abroad). I
can’t stand even watching the highlights of either sport in the news. I
can’t think of two more boring sports than those.
I played a lot more basketball games. And I find a lot of enjoyment in
watching THE FOURTH QUARTER of a playoff game (if it involves the Knicks or
the Heat). But that’s it.
Of soccer, like most of the world, I can’t get enough. Of course there are
some slow games, but for those of us who know the sport, is like watching
live chess (a war game after all, which is exactly the spirit on the
stands). Teams spend all game trying different things, with different
twists until it clicks (and while you are watching you are actively
studying the possibilities of this or such move).
Soccer has made tremendous progress in this country. We have 18 million
registered players. This is a fact that has never happened before. You
can’t refute today’s claim by speaking of a time where we only had a couple
of million registered players.
But even that is not that important, for the importance of that (and now
those numbers will increase even more) grow up and raise children in soccer
families. Not like now, where the child is the one educating the parent
about soccer. Knowledgeable parents and the closing of the gap between the
pay of American top athletes and soccer players in Europe (no athletes have
seen their pay increase more in the last five years than soccer players,
although they still have some way to go) will be crucial to capture the
imagination of kids to keep playing soccer for life.
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Maynard v. Salinger
Books Judith Greer
[Ozick] has struggled with some of these “revelation” issues herself. Did
I imply that she didn’t feel deeply about it? I merely point out that she
has also gotten plenty of publicity from her outrage on Salinger’s behalf,
and that can’t hurt.
And, okay, I’ll say it: frankly I find her “feelings” about the situation
(which really come down to “Salinger is an Artist and thus must not be
disturbed by lesser lights, or judged by the same standards we use to judge
the behavior of a non-artist in relation to him”) equivalent to the folks
here who have claimed that your thoughts on this scandal could have no
legitimacy until you had read Salinger’s work. You bought into that
concept, for some weird reason, but I still say it’s bogus.
I don’t care if Salinger’s writing is the best ever seen in the world, to
me that should have no bearing AT ALL on how we judge his private behavior
and its consequences. Just as his being a great writer excuses exactly
nothing, Maynard’s being a lesser one does not automatically make her
behavior worse.
I can’t help finding it amusing and ironic that others are profiting from
the scandal in one way or another, too, even as they denounce Maynard for
daring to profit from it. It’s simply delicious to watch.
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Put Your Original Poetry Here
Arts & Leisure
Susan Janson – 11:22am Jul 2, 1999 PDT (# 96 of 97)
Foreign Tongues
If I know how you listen,
I will know how to speak.
Without words scattering like pool balls,
after the break
Without marbling thoughts into rainbow taffy
Sticking to my teeth.
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Wiggers, Oreos and Twinkies
Social Issues
Erin Corrigan Martin – 01:07pm Jun 30, 1999 PDT (# 11 of 112)
Folks who get off on labeling members of their own ethnic groups as
sellouts have some issues of their own. They may have a mindset that says
speaking standard English, being conscientious about schoolwork, etc.,
means that a person really wants to be white. But I know who I am, and I’m
happier defining myself, rather than feeling bad about how others attempt
to define me.
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Is there such a thing as an “Ex-Gay”?
Social Issues | Edward Cole – 02:50pm Jun 22, 1999 PDT (# 610 of 623)
Its a pet peeve of mind that relationships are often treated like
spreadsheets or score cards.”I spent $5 on gas so you have to spend $5 on
dinner” or “I drove the kids to soccer practise so you have do the
laundry.” Their seems to be a lot of record keeping in the contemporary
relationship in order to avoid the unavoidable fact that relationships and
love don’t neatly add up. I think what I was trying to get at, on topic, is
that men are still being taught an older lesson about relationships and
power. Women have something they want and they have to be strong enough and
crafty enough to get it. Gay men are thought to subvert this through either
cowardice or conceit.
Quoting Auden:
If equal affection cannot be, Let the more loving one be me.
I STINK! and other tales of terror
Mothers | Charlotte Johnson – 04:57pm Jun 18, 1999 PDT (# 28 of 54)
…When I was about five months pregnant, I had terrible allergies during
my pregnancy and was sneezing all the time. This particular morning I
hadn’t even gotten out of bed yet and I had sneezed about five time in a
row..hard. I looked up at my husband, who was getting ready for work, and I
said “Honey, I’ve pissed the bed.”
“Huh?”
“I’ve pissed the bed. I sneezed, and I pissed the bed.”
He walks over and helps me out of bed (a waterbed goddamn whoever invented
the things), looks at the sheets and says, “Why, so you have.”
He never said another word on it, just changed the sheets. Every time after
that that I announced that my bladder had failed me he would look at the
sheets and mummble “Why, so you have.”
To this day is makes me hysterical to hear him say that.
Travel Boo Boos
Wanderlust | DJC NYC – 01:37pm Jun 17, 1999 PDT (# 7 of 9)
Several years ago, I was invited to spend three months in Copenhagen. That
year, my parents retired, and we 3 children decided to send them on a trip
to Europe. I was their “travel agent” and made all the reservations. I had
just arranged for their tickets out of JFK to London a few days earlier,
when I headed out to the taxi which would take me to my own flight to
Copenhagen…out of Newark. Unfortunately, I had forgotten that, until we
pulled up to what used to be that airline’s terminal at JFK and faced signs
saying all their flights were going out of Newark. The taxi driver, a
classic NY taxi driver if there ever was one, asked what time my flight
was, and even though it was now the height of rush hour, said “Don’t worry,
I can do it!” And he did. We whipped in and out of traffic, going so fast I
was afraid to look at the speedometer. We passed trucks on the right WHILE
CROSSING A BRIDGE! After that, I just closed my eyes and prayed. And I made
it. But I hope never, NEVER, to take such a taxi ride again!
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Do romantic comedies make you want to puke?
Movies | Mike Backus – 06:41am Jun 10, 1999 PDT (# 70 of 117)
To me, the two main problems with romantic comedies are they posit a
(basically conservative) world view that everyone (though particularly
women) is desperately looking for love, they fall back on cliche after
cliche (woman more desperate, man hesitant, losers abound) and for me the
biggest problem, they structure such movies like action films with the
climax being the two people finally find love. Now anyone who’s lived past
16 knows finding love is one thing but living with it day in and day out is
quite another; in other words, most of these movies end where I think they
should begin.
The specimen cup runneth over–drug testing
Mothers Who Think | Erin McGinty – 08:09pm Jun 6, 1999 PDT (# 25 of 124)
I have administered and witnessed very many urinalyses for drugs. Some of
these were OnTrak tests with cards, reagents, and droppers; most were sent
by courier or mail to a lab. Some comments:
I believe the poster who cited $25 per test for 50% results is incorrect.
At one job, we sent specimens to a local lab for about $13 per test. When a
client protested a positive result vociferously, or if the test was
positive for amphetamines when that was not the drug of choice, we ordered
a gas chromotography. None of those re-tests that I was involved in
revealed a false positive. (Re: amphetamines: depending on the type of test
used, some drugs, most notably antihistamines, decongestants, and ephedra
can throw false positives.)
Drug tests can screen for alcohol. They cannot prove anything illegal
happened. They also have a very small window – you have to have been
drinking the night before, for the most part, to show up positive.
Pre-employment drug tests are primarily going to catch marijuana users.
Cocaine, opiates, amphetamines, and methamphetamines leave the system in
about 72 hours. I think the same is true for benzodiazepines (Valium) and
tranquilizers. There is no reliable test that I know of for psychedelics.
(I heard one pitchman say there was – with a four-hour window. This means
if we UA’d the person in the 4 hours after he ingested the drug, it would
show up. I’m thinking, “Thanks, pal, but the HUGELY DILATED PUPILS would
probably tip me off at that point.”) THC stays in the urine for 30 days or
more, in the case of a frequent smoker. Thus, the least harmful and most
common illegal drug is the most targeted.
Drug tests are not that difficult to beat. Treatment and criminal justice
professionals typically witness the sample collection (i.e., watch the
testee pee), and even that is not foolproof, especially when getting a
sample from a woman. When the test is not witnessed, any self respecting
addict can find a way to smuggle urine into the collection bathroom (and
even have it at body temperature). This means the ones caught in the web
are the casual users to whom such subterfuge does not occur.
I do not favor pre-employment or school drug testing. IMO, it is a huge
infringement on one’s rights with very little potential positive effect.
Family Phrases
Books | Serin McDaniel – 09:09am Jun 9, 1999 PDT (# 113 of 160)
People who lived in my dorm in college used “sell their stock” as a
euphemism for having sex. Seems someone’s economics professor had used the
familar slap-the-back-of-one-hand-into-the-palm-of-the-other gesture while
saying the words “sell their stock,” so the words took on the gesture’s
meaning.
The spouse and I have a tendency to give things names. So a local
supermarket called Thompson’s, which looks like a church from the 1960s, is
“St. Thompson’s.” The dishes my husband leaves in the sink when he thinks
he’s finished washing are “dishtails.”
We used to have a black-and-white cat named Alice, so anything with
black-and-white spots is an Alice whatever. (“the Alice dog” is a
neighborhood dog, and the children of that family are “the Alice dog’s
children.”)
Any car that drives by with the bass thumping so loud we can hear it in the
house is “the Crack Man” (like the Ice Cream Man; the full sentence is,
“Mommy! Daddy! It’s the Crack Man! Can I have ten thousand dollars?”)
Some of our fellow church members are “The Shy Mouse People with their Shy
Mouse Baby”; for some reason we go to a church with lots of tall people,
who are, en masse, “the Tall Greyhound People.” (Hey, maybe this is why we
can’t remember anybody’s name.)
We used to eat a lot at a restaurant called Cheddar’s, which tended to go
to far in its recipes. (Cheesecake … with gingersnap crust … and
raspberry topping … and white-chocolate sprinkles …) So anything that
goes too far is said to have “Cheddar’s disease.”
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Eighth grade standards for high school graduation – WHAT GIVES?
Education | Jen – 12:30pm May 27, 1999 PDT (# 10 of 14)
I think the parents’ role is to communicate with the school district about
the standards and the tests and to be informed about things like: How many
school days are my kids spending in test preparation & test taking? What do
the tests look like? What do you do with the scores?
I don’t feel very good about standards. I work in the training field, and I
am new to it. I used to wonder why some of the technical classes I took
were so shallow. Now I understand that the instructors were “teaching to
tests,” specifically Microsoft and other certification tests that are so
trendy. The tests (and I’m talking about user-level tests, not technical
MSCE or CNE tests) seem to test for a broad understanding of the software,
touching on many of the features but not requiring in-depth understanding
of them (in my opinion, anyway). Everyone benefits by the system: Microsoft
and other vendors who rake in licensing and certification fees, content
developers who sell “certified” books and software, “certified” trainers,
who hold the key to the tests, and employers, who have a measurement to use
when hiring.
I’m not sure that it is a bad measurement, either. You would have to have
decent knowledge of the software to pass the tests. The thing that saddens
me is that so much time is spent on the shallow accumulation of rote
knowledge that, in class anyway, there is little time left for exploration
or real learning.
I wonder if primary and secondary classes are finding the same effect when
standards tests become important. I recently read that in the Chicago
Public Schools, teachers and students are starting to rebel against the
number of tests they have to take (and the amount of time that is taken
away from their classes)
And I’d like to know more about how the test are developed. I’m not saying
that academic achievement can’t be measured, but I wish I felt better about
the guidelines being used. In my experience, people will grasp at anything
in order to get quantifiable results. That’s understandable, but it tends
to establish a standard that may be of questionable value but is very
difficult to replace with anything else.
What’s Harvey Weinstein’s story?
Movies | Patrick Hudson – 11:52am Jun 2, 1999 PDT (# 4 of 9)
Weinstein reminds me of Gap CEO Mickey Drexler, who has demonstrated
near-perfect merchandising touch and good taste where before there was no
clear strategic vision. Now America is ‘blessed’ with very nice movies and
very nice casual clothing, but we all feel a sense of having lost
something. We’ve lost the sense of uniqueness that used to come from liking
certain little movies; how can you feel unique when the film you like is
selling out at the shopping mall multiplex? These tastemakers are largely
responsible for our collective sense of fin-de-siecle ennui; it feels like
the ‘end of history.’ Something about all the pictures of all these
near-billionaires wearing sloppy casual clothes makes me long for a time
when the U.S. didn’t feel so middle-aged and complacent. Maybe the new
generation of children born to the baby boomers (about 4MM births a year
for about a decade now) will liven things up.
A Family Values Question
Social Issues | John James – 08:46am Jun 4, 1999 PDT (# 28 of 37)
I have no answers but a case study or two.
My mother left my father soon after my younger brother was off to college.
She literally, consciously held it together for the kids. I don’t know for
how long-10 years, maybe-she stayed after having decided that the marriage
was empty.
There was no blatant abuse or alcoholism or financial calamity. I have to
resort to psychobabble to describe their problems. They were
“dysfunctional.” My father “has issues,” with control and with anger. But
their staying together in itself didn’t help him with those things. Was it
my mother’s job to force him to confront his problems?
I suppose I feel guilty, as if my brother and I were to blame for Mom
enduring an unhappy marriage for so long. And I wonder what the benefit
was. I know one big cost: a 10-year delay before they could move on to try
and find better partners. Might it have been more honest, less
hypocritical, and better for everybody all around for the split to have
occurred sooner? I feel sure they would have worked hard at their parental
obligations, even if they had lived apart.
I’ve been married eight years now, with some bumps along the way. I’m
committed to making my marriage last, and I’m committed to being a good
father to my two kids, and the two sentiments are related, but they’re not
identical.
A relative on my wife’s side got his girlfriend pregnant, and they
hurriedly married. He’s 21, she’s 19. Clearly, they’re too young or
immature or ill-matched or whatever, and I’m sure marriage would not have
been in the picture had the pregnancy not occurred. Anyway, the marriage
has been filled with strife from Day 1, and two days after delivering a
beautiful baby girl, the mother has moved out. My wife’s family suspects
some scheming on the girl’s part-that she stayed until the baby was born in
order to strengthen her claim to child support. But assuming that everyone
is acting in good faith: What do you make of their situation? A related
question: What is the value in legitimacy, in “giving the child a name,”
even if the odds of a long-term marriage seem poor?
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