Survivor
Jeff Probst is not an idiot
The weather-beaten host of "Survivor" talks about his debut indie film, "Finder's Fee," and why no one takes him seriously.
Jeff Probst, the beefcake host of “Survivor,” is more than a weather-beaten brow, a pair of neatly pressed khakis and a smugly knowing grin. He’s an independent film director.
Probst’s debut as a writer/director, “Finder’s Fee,” is currently touring the independent film festival circuit, and it’s a genuinely enjoyable film. “Finder’s Fee” debuted at the Seattle Film Festival last spring, where it won the top award; it played again at the Sonoma Valley Film Festival in mid-April, where Probst won another award for being a “breakthrough director.”
The movie tells the story of a broke guy in his 20s who discovers a wallet containing a winning lottery ticket worth $3 million and has to decide what to do. It features name actors like James Earl Jones and Robert Forster and is deftly written for a first feature. And even though the film was written and cast before Probst began working on “Survivor,” “Finder’s Fee” bears a certain resemblance to the TV show: Both ponder what happens to morals and integrity when confronted with large quantities of cold, hard cash.
In person, Probst is a good-natured, down-to-earth kind of guy with a peeling nose (thanks to all those sunny days in exotic locales) and a quick smile. And while he really, really wants to be taken seriously as an artist, he also possesses a sense of humor about the strange tension between being both a campy celebrity TV host and an indie director struggling to get film distribution. Salon caught up with Probst in Sonoma, Calif., and chatted with him about film world snobbery, the value of honesty and why Rudy really should have kicked Richard Hatch’s butt.
What were you doing in the days before “Survivor” and “Finders Fee”?
I basically started out in Seattle doing a local gardening show sponsored by a hardware store; really, it was a paid informercial. I sent a tape to an L.A. agent; six weeks later, I was living in New York working for FX networks, which in the beginning was a live network with a bunch of talent. I did that for a few years, and then “Access Hollywood” when that launched. Then I did “Rock ‘n’ Roll Jeopardy” for VH1.
After that, it was 18 months until “Survivor.” I turned down nine jobs over 18 months, hoping for something better. Money was getting pretty low, I wondered whether I’d screwed up, and one day I heard Mark Burnett on the radio say, “I’m going to put 16 people on a deserted island and force them to live together.” I was the first person to meet with Mark. He spent an hour and 45 minutes telling me why I didn’t want this show, that I couldn’t handle it, that I was a studio boy. I spent the last 15 minutes basically on my knees, ripping up my résumé and telling him not to count me out. He listened to me, said, “Thanks for being honest.” And I thought, Kiss of death, I’m done.
I didn’t hear anything for three months, and then I got the job.
Were you an outdoors kind of guy before “Survivor”?
No. Of course, I lied to Mark. “I grew up camping! Are you kidding? I’m from Kansas!” Then I realized that you don’t camp in Kansas. But I think Burnett bought it.
I’d seen “Eco-Challenge,” and I knew “Survivor” was going to look fantastic, and I was pretty sure that 16 people on an island forced to live together would be interesting. I didn’t think it was going to be a hit, but from the very first hour of the show — when Richard Hatch was sitting up in a tree in a power position looking down at everyone and saying, “We need to talk about this,” and Susan Hawk walks by and says, “I don’t know where you’re from, but where I’m from we work while we talk” — from that moment, I thought, Oh shit, this is really going to be interesting.
“Finder’s Fee” was green-lit that first day of shooting.
So where did “Finder’s Fee” fit in with all this? When did you decide you also wanted to be a director?
There’s a natural assumption that because I’m now the host of a popular show that I suddenly got this movie dropped in my lap. But I’d actually been writing since 1994, going through screenplay books and trying to figure out structure. When I moved to New York with FX, I got into a writer’s unit with an amazing instructor. In New York nobody talks about how much money will it make, and who will be in it: You talk about theme and character and structure.
I was working as a writer, and my goal was — and still is — to write first, direct my own stuff whenever possible and control my own creative destiny, ultimately.
Is your long-term goal to be more of a film director than a TV host?
Long-term, yeah. But I’m not one of these guys who says, “Now I’m on a really hot show, better quit soon before I get labeled.” That’s the most ridiculous notion I’d ever heard.
How has being affiliated with this enormously successful but somewhat campy television show affected your credibility as a director? Have you encountered a lot of snobbery?
When I first started trying to get funding to get “Finder’s Fee” made, “Survivor” wasn’t even happening yet. The film’s producer said, “When I tell people who you are, I already have to tell them you’re a first-time writer and director; I’m not going to tell them you’re a TV host, too.” It was a big thing for me to hang on to directing at all, having no experience. And then when you tag it with “he’s a television host,” people do think you’re an idiot.
But the roles of TV host and independent film director do seem somewhat diametrically opposed.
That’s the funny thing about “Survivor” — it’s an unscripted show for everyone, myself included. It’s an organic process that’s based strictly on theme: This is the theme of the show, certain tenets are always going to hold true, but within that box anything goes. So, to me, it’s storytelling. When I’m out there I know what my objective is in terms of telling the story. If there’s one person that I want to highlight, I try to subtly draw them out and then get out of the way. You’re sort of directing, in a way.
Tribal Council now is Mark and me, 10 minutes before Tribal Council saying, “What should we talk about?” Let’s talk about trust tonight and see how it impacts the game. Then, it’s like a journalist’s or therapist’s job: You just go exploring. Everyone wants to talk, you’ve just got to find a way to get them to talk.
Speaking of people who like to listen to themselves talk: “Survivor: The Australian Outback” contestant Jerri Manthey’s also in a short film here at the Sonoma Film Festival, a short called “Destiny” about a woman who has an abortion.
I know. The director came up to me at another film festival I was at in L.A. and afterward told me she was thinking of casting Jerri in a short. I said my take with Jerri is that what you see is what you get; and you know if that’s what you want.
Do you see parallels in the themes in “Survivor” and “Finder’s Fee”?
In “Survivor” and “Finder’s Fee,” specifically, it is about what you would do if you could get away with it. “Survivor” is about your own integrity and where you draw your own ethical and moral lines. There are no rules: In that sense, “Survivor” is like rock ‘n’ roll — you can do what you want. After the first “Survivor” I came back and was doing a rewrite on “Finder’s Fee,” and changed the ending after watching what happens to friendships when trust is destroyed.
There are guys out in the island right now in Marquesas that audience members hate because of the way they are playing. And we tell them that’s OK. There are no rules: If you are a lawyer and you come on “Survivor” you can tell people you are a truck driver, or that you have been married 12 times and have had tough times with relationships. But no one has done that yet: No one has come out and played a total lie. People give it up too soon.
Are there any “Survivor” contestants you wanted to win that didn’t?
I don’t not wish that Richard won, because he was masterful, but the only time I was really pulling for someone to win was Rudy. I loved the story of a 72-year-old military, homophobic, sexist, racist, lovable — emphasis on lovable — man, going from this guy who everyone at first was, like, “Get this sonofabitch off the island,” to “Oh I want Rudy around.” His authenticity was so genuine that you went, “I love you, you are who you are.” He stood out for me. Anytime I talk to kids about who does well, I always bring that up: There’s something to be said for embracing who you are.
I think that’s why Richard won, and not Kelly. Because at the very end, it was a close vote, there was a lot of dissension. But after 39 days of trampling on people and backbiting, Kelly said “I hope nobody took it personally, forgive me if I was mean, it was just a game.” Richard said, “I kicked your ass, give me the vote.”
When I heard that, I thought, I’d vote for you. If you knock me down, put your fucking foot on my chest and spit on me. But don’t offer me a hand up and say you didn’t mean it. You could never beat that episode.
What are the pros and cons of having been associated with “Survivor”?
Not only do I not think there have been any cons, I think the pros have completely changed the way I live my life. Every day I get more and more honest. In the grand scheme of things, professionally it’s given me huge awareness with the industry and the public, which only translates into a longer career and more money if you don’t screw it up. I actually feel like in spite of the first seven or eight weeks when every reviewer wanted to vote me off the island, I’m optimistic enough to believe that now people actually get that I understand that “Survivor” is tongue-in-cheek — I was there putting my own tongue in my own cheek. I feel good about the work I do on “Survivor,” and am proud of my contribution.
Do you think your “Survivor” fame will help sell “Finder’s Fee”?
Nope. And I was actually surprised; I thought that because of the popularity of “Survivor,” I could do so much press to promote and go to every city. But there’s still a stigma: You got a little movie, you’re the host of a TV show, there’s no way to blend those two worlds. I think they are wrong, and we will prove that we can find a little audience for our movie. But it’s a marathon, not a sprint, and I’m not going anywhere.
I’ve had a good run, and I will ride this motherfucker down until it crashes me on the sand. Count on it. You’ll see me washed up at the beach in Malibu someday saying, well, this was fun.
Janelle Brown is a contributing writer for Salon. More Janelle Brown.
History Channel hires reality show guru for Bible series
"Survivor" producer Mark Burnett tackles noncontroversial religious text, promises no historical context
And in the beginning, there was Richard Hatch. The History Channel: not just for documentaries about Hitler anymore. In an effort to appeal to those millions of Americans who would rather watch contestants eat dung in a jungle with Jeff Probst egging them on than watch another documentary about something that happened before they were born, the channel has brought in reality show producer Mark Burnett to create a 12-hour scripted drama about the Bible. Previously, Burnett’s biggest shows to date have been “Survivor,” “The Apprentice” and “The Voice”… all of which sound like Sunday school stories themselves when you stop to think about it.
Continue Reading CloseDrew Grant is a staff writer for Salon. Follow her on Twitter at @videodrew. More Drew Grant.
Is “Boston” Rob Mariano the best “Survivor” player ever?
"Boston" Rob Mariano's brilliant performance in his fourth outing was the work of a devious master craftsman
The once and future champ: "Survivor: Redemption Island" winner "Boston" Rob Mariano with host Jeff Probst. All hail “Boston” Rob Mariano, the best person who ever played this made-for-TV game called “Survivor.” He took home the million-dollar top prize during the live finale in New York last night, plus a $100,000 bonus prize for being voted “Sprint’s Player of the Season” by viewers. If there had been other prizes, I’m sure he would have taken those, too.
Since the series’ U.S. premiere in summer of 2000, nobody has ever dominated the game as thoroughly and consistently throughout a season as Mariano did this year. It was his fourth time playing the game. In his second outing on “Survivor: All-Stars,” he was beaten by his future wife, Amber Brkich, to whom he proposed before that season’s votes were read. Brkich was in the studio last night with their two young children. “It was Amber that encouraged me to come back,” he told the camera in one of his final interviews on the Nicaragua set, losing his composure as he spoke. “She believed in me. It’s ’cause of her. I feel like whatever happens now, I’m OK, even if I don’t win. Which is ironic, ’cause the only reason I ever wanted to come back and play again was to win.”
Continue Reading Close10 year time capsule: When reality TV took over
A decade ago, a writers strike loomed, but networks had an ace up their sleeve: Unscripted drama
Did "Survivor" stall the writers strike of 2001? Ten years can go by in a heartbeat, or it can drag on for so long that you’re looking back going, “What the hell was going on back then?”
Case in point: Talking about “Harry Potter” movies released in 2001 makes me feel old. Mention “Pearl Harbor” and “Survivor,” however, and I’m like, “The early aughts were so weird! Was that really only 10 years ago?” Reading this old CNN article, I actually feel like I’ve unearthed a time capsule.
Continue Reading CloseDrew Grant is a staff writer for Salon. Follow her on Twitter at @videodrew. More Drew Grant.
“Survivor” redeems itself
The latest version of the show, "Redemption Island," invigorates "Survivor" with rule changes and weird characters
Day 5 from SURVIVOR: REDEMPTION ISLAND, scheduled to air on the CBS Television Network.
Photo:Monty Brinton/CBS
©2010 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved(Credit: Monty Brinton) Buoyed by a smart new rule and sharpened by format changes that keep the focus on strategy, CBS’ durable “Survivor” (Wednesdays 8 p.m./7 Central) is reminding me of the early, glory days when it seemed that anyone with a TV set was hanging on every overwrought second. Of all the unscripted series on TV — including its equally engaging CBS sister series “The Amazing Race” – this is the only one that transcends its own format and attains a weird kind of mythic resonance. It’s not just a silly, suspenseful game show set in the jungle; it’s a study in situational ethics and a showcase for the human personality in all its tangled, self-justifying quirkiness.
Continue Reading Close“Survivor’s” stunning comeback
The "old-versus-young" season looked like a dud, but then the reality show yielded its sharpest weapon: Surprise
Jane Bright from "Survivor: Nicaragua" Back in 2003, when everyone feared that reality TV show producers were actually bloodthirsty aliens sent from another planet to humiliate and demean us so thoroughly that eventually we’d commit hara-kiri on the sword of our own self-hatred, “Survivor” always seemed like the one show created by an earthling who fully grasped reality TV’s dramatic potential. Unlike the “Temptation Island”s and “Paradise Hotel”s and other “Rotten Island”-themed televisual experiments of the time, “Survivor” was thoughtfully designed to highlight the charms and flaws of the assorted naifs and manipulative bastards selected to crouch on the beach together, cooking bad rice in the rain. More than just leaning into the psychological experiment at hand, though, “Survivor” set the bar higher than it needed to: The camerawork was beautiful, setting the scene by lingering on breathtaking shots of sparkling tropical waters and local wildlife, the theme song was catchy, the editing was smart and suspenseful, and the game itself was addictively simple: Stay focused, maintain your sanity, and be the last one left on the island.
Continue Reading CloseHeather Havrilesky is Salon's TV critic and author of the rabbit blog. Her memoir, "Disaster Preparedness," published in 2010. More Heather Havrilesky.
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