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Does “The Daily Show” still have a woman problem?

An exhibit illustrates the lack of women on influential talk shows -- even on Rachel Maddow and Terry Gross

“What Does An Important Person Look Like?” That’s the question Jennifer Dalton poses in her new “Cool Guys Like You” exhibition, opening Friday at New York’s Winkleman Gallery. And in case you hadn’t guessed, the answer is: a dude.

As Dalton explains in her statement about the installation, an open letter to talk show hosts “Bill/Brian/Charlie/Jon/Leonard/Rachel/Stephen/Terry”: “When I looked closely at whom you interview — the people you collectively decide are the most important of the moment — I was very surprised…. In 2010, the most lopsided show among you featured only 17.5% female guests. The most balanced among you still only featured 34% female guests…. If I may be so bold, WTF?”

To illustrate her point about the demographics of shows like “Fresh Air,” “The Colbert Report,” “Charlie Rose” and others, Dalton lined up a sampling of screenshots of “Daily Show” guests and put the men in gold frames and the women in silver ones. Unsurprisingly, there’s not a lot of silver on the walls.

Dalton loves to find novel ways to showcase gender disparity. In a previous work, she asked “What Does an Artist Look Like? (Every Photograph of an Artist to Appear in the New Yorker, 1999 & 2009)” and displayed the magazine’s photographs of creative figures along a scale of “genius to pinup.” Similarly, in “This Is Not News,” she used light bulbs to illuminate the gulf between the number of women earning arts degrees in a single year and the percentage of women whose work had been given solo gallery shows and auctions.

Now, by turning her attention to the pathetic dearth of females on the most beloved and otherwise progressive-seeming radio and television talk shows, Dalton’s demonstrates why some viewers feel conflicted about them. She’s not the first to point it out — last year, “The Daily Show” found itself embroiled in controversy after Jezebel pointed out its “woman problem” and called it “a boys’ club where women’s contributions are often ignored and dismissed.”

As Dalton told C-Monster.net Friday, “These are heroes of mine and I think they’re doing really important work. But I just end up confused. It’s like are you with me or against me? I think of you as on my team, but maybe you don’t think of me as on your team?”

In her Salon piece on “Late-night’s real problem” last year, Lynn Harris sagely pondered the root causes for the lack of women behind the scenes at the most biting, insightful talk shows, acknowledging the masculine culture of those environments. And “Daily Show” correspondent Samantha Bee has stated that “I just know so many female writers who never submit, and I’m not sure why.”

But even if women aren’t gunning for those off-camera jobs, it doesn’t explain why, as Dalton points out, roughly 80 percent of the guests on even the female-driven shows of Rachel Maddow and Terry Gross are men. Dalton says, “My gut is that it’s entropy. It makes me think that people are lazy.” It’s not necessarily a vast patriarchal conspiracy, just that sometimes people forget that women write books and run for political office and start grassroots campaigns and generally have things to say to America. Lots of women. More than 20 percent, even. And if a few frames on a wall can remind “The Daily Show” and “Colbert” and “Charlie Rose” of that, maybe, just maybe, those programs will start changing the picture.

Mary Elizabeth Williams

Mary Elizabeth Williams is a staff writer for Salon and the author of "Gimme Shelter: My Three Years Searching for the American Dream." Follow her on Twitter: @embeedub.

The “Daily Show” guide to my enemies

As a producer, I met people whose political views I detested. The hardest part was admitting they weren't so bad

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For two years I was a field producer for “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart.” The field producer is the person who guides the creation of the pre-taped segments, the ones where the correspondent travels somewhere to interview and heartily agree with some person who holds, uh, fascinating ideas about the world. This meant I spent a lot of time with people whose causes or philosophies I found blecchy — the sort of folks who would fit nicely in the overlap of a Venn diagram whose circles included Bachmann supporters, fans of Rush Limbaugh, and people who wear tricorn hats and exercise their Second Amendment rights at Tea Party rallies.  You know – assholes.

Now, I like to loathe people. It just feels so good. I particularly like to loathe the sorts of people described above, and when I see them on TV or read their blogs I sigh contentedly and say, ahhh, it is now morally permissible for me to loathe this person. So imagine how irksome it was to have to deal with persons like that on a constant basis and discover that those persons, in person, generally weren’t loathsome persons after all. In fact, to my great consternation and disappointment, I often liked them.

I think it really hit home for me with Rapture Man. This was in 2005. Rapture Man had set up a service that would automatically send out an email in the event of the Event, an email explaining the sudden absence of the exalted Saved (e.g., him) to the despised Unsaved (e.g., New York Jewish media professionals). I feel morally superior to people who feel morally superior to me, especially when they’re certain their name is on the heavenly guest list and mine isn’t. Folks like him. What I expected was Angry Seething Evangelical Crackpot. What I got instead was a man who was devastatingly guileless and vulnerable and innocent, a man genuinely distressed by the pain and confusion the Rapture would instigate. He was the type you reflexively want to protect, to shield from the cruel realities of modern life.

In this case, the cruel realities of modern life included him and his delusions being ridiculed in a “Daily Show” piece. If I had somehow been eligible for the Rapture before producing that segment, I doubt I was afterward. I felt a bit dirty. One the other hand, it was a very funny piece. You should see it. There’s Samantha Bee disappearing in a flash of light, Ed Helms running through a post-apocalyptic landscape, Stephen Colbert wandering around with bleeding nipples and apparently snacking on parts of Rob Corddry – a veritable “Daily Show” all-star apocalypse. Great fun. Also, I don’t think Rapture Man owned a TV, so I figured I was good.

But he was just one of many others in this I-Should-Hate-These-People-But-Somehow-I-Don’t phenomenon. There was the state representative in Maine who introduced a gay marriage bill just so he could vote against it. He turned out to be just sort of sad and lonely. Wanted to hate him. Couldn’t. There was the Canadian lady who despised her homeland because it wasn’t conservative enough and too kind to immigrants and the poor. She was raucous and funny and pretty good company. I felt awful when it dawned on her mid-shoot that we weren’t actually her pals (really – there was a moment in the middle of the sit-down interview when you could see her finally catch on and sort of crumble. I wanted to leap forward and say, “Wait, it’s not you we find risible and absurd! Just your entire worldview!”). There was the Arizona state rep who introduced a bill to let people bring guns into bars. He had supported other daft legislation, was supremely confident that his background as a golf pro qualified him to interpret the Constitution, and had really, really awful Republican hair. Hated him. Until I met him. Imagine an amiable and none-too-bright Golden Retriever that breaks everything – a bit annoying, maybe, but hard to hate. Who else? There was the well-known conservative strategist, a man famed for his Orwellian genius at manipulating language. He is single-handedly responsible for several of the most insidious and effective locutions in modern political history, terms that make me want to hammer nails in my forehead. And of course he was friendly and funny and smart and could laugh at himself, and there was a strange integrity to his lack of integrity. Hate fail.

And it wasn’t just individuals who would confound me. I would often contact extremely right-wing organizations and ask if they might perhaps be interested in participating in a segment. The response was generally no – probably the wisest choice – but on more than one occasion the person on the other end would enthusiastically inform me that they all loved the show and they watch it every day and what is that wonderful Jon Stewart really like?

By the way, the converse also held true: I’d occasionally meet people who were on the right side (that is, my side) of the issues, and they’d turn out to be insufferable jerks. You know – assholes. (A quick word to the wise: If someone shows up with a time machine and offers you a chance to attend a vegan potluck fund-raiser for Dennis Kucinich, politely decline. [Just to clarify: the congressman himself, delightful. His supporters ... yeesh.])

I recently discussed the topic with another former “Daily Show” producer, and her experience matched mine. She described spending a long day with Shirley Phelps-Roper, the spokesperson for the Westboro Baptist Church – the ones who spread light and joy in the world by doing things like picketing military funerals because, you know, the gays. You’d be hard put to find a group of people with more hateful convictions. And what was it like dealing with Shirley? She was warm and affable and lovely. She lent my friend a wool cap because it was so chilly out.

OK, yes, that’s an extreme example. Being a friendly person doesn’t excuse heinous beliefs or deeds – I’m sure there were plenty of pleasant Klan members, and Hitler loved dogs and so on. But surely there’s a middle ground. We can disagree over the best way to provide healthcare, or what optimal tax rates are, without assuming that the person on the other side of the argument emerged steaming from Satan’s fundament. I might, for example, find Rick Santorum’s views and rhetoric repugnant, but I bet if I spent time with him or his supporters, they’d turn out to be honest citizens and good company.

I don’t think that the lesson is that we’re all basically the same and everyone is wonderful and let’s hug. I will admit that the lesson might be that I’m easily gulled or just morally promiscuous, willing to drop my analytical knickers at the hint of a smile or a charming Southern accent. What I’m hoping the lesson is: People are complex and can hold different views and still be moral actors — essentially the message that Jon Stewart talked about during his Rally for Sanity.

Maybe you already grasp that concept, because you have good friends or loving relatives with beliefs that are wildly divergent from your own. But I tend to think my experience is more typical: I lived in a little bubble surrounded by people who think more or less like me. And when I considered people with opposing viewpoints I would turn into a fabulist, concocting an entire narrative of who they were and what they were like — and what they were like was yucko. Because I was not really interacting with them. I just thought I was, because, hey, look, there they are on the TV, or there’s that guy’s post in the comments section. But that stuff doesn’t count. Meeting people counts. Talking counts.

So yes, I love to loathe people, but my “Daily Show” experience complicated all that and sort of spoiled my fun. When I’m exposed to views that I dislike, I try to remind myself of the human being behind those views and to cut that person some slack. I hope that they would do the same. I think we should all fight hard for what we believe in, but I’d like to put in a request for some general slack cutting – especially as we move deeper into what is sure to be a very heated campaign season.

No, of course I was kidding about Rick Santorum. I’m sure in person he’s an obnoxious cretin.

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Michael Rubens' first novel, “The Sheriff of Yrnameer,” was published in 2009. His second novel, “Sons of the 613,” is due out this fall.

Jon Stewart takes on SOPA

Could it really be that the lawmakers responsible for legislating the Internet have no idea how it works? VIDEO

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Rarely does a piece of legislation take over the national dialogue the way the Stop Online Piracy Act did yesterday; but that’s what happens when Wikipedia shuts down in protest. What remains puzzling, though, even after a day of widespread virtual protests, is how the lawmakers who originally supported SOPA failed to gauge public sentiment so spectacularly. That’s where Jon Stewart came in and illuminated matters on “The Daily Show” last night, with one particularly valuable insight: The people responsible for SOPA — the members of the congressional subcommittee who gave the legislation their seal of approval — have no idea how the Internet actually works.

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Fun with federal election law

Do these look like the faces of people who've just violated campaign finance rules? VIDEO

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The grand experiment launched late last week continues: Stephen Colbert is exploring a run for president, while Jon Stewart manages Colbert’s former super PAC — and enthusiastically smears the candidate’s would-be Republican primary rivals in the process. The problem with managing a PAC in support of your business partner’s campaign, however, is that not a whole lot of it feels legal. (Even if it almost certainly is.) That’s why Stewart and Colbert powwowed with their lawyer on “The Daily Show” last night — just to make sure their “good”-faith efforts at non-coordination were still strictly within the bounds of the law.

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South Carolina braces for Hurricane Newt

"The Daily Show" prepares voters for an onslaught of negativity in next week's Republican primary VIDEO

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The next week and a half is a pivotal one for the Republican Party. Its candidates for president have their sights set on South Carolina’s January 21 primary; and, just three contests into the season, Mitt Romney could lock up the nomination with a win in the Palmetto State. But there are storm clouds on the horizon. However, the other candidates — let by an angry and embittered Newt Gingrich — will pour millions of dollars into negative advertising in the next 9 days, making the South Carolina primary the most brutal one yet. Last night on “The Daily Show,” Jon Stewart and co. investigated:

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Jon Stewart issues some advice to Iran

The "Daily Show" host warns the Islamic republic about messing with America during an election season VIDEO

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Tensions have been running higher than usual between the United States and Iran this week. Not only has the Islamic republic begun enriching uranium, a fact confirmed by international watchdogs Monday; it has also threatened to block off shipping through the Strait of Hormuz, and sentenced an American to death for what it says was acts of espionage. That all in mind, Jon Stewart took time out from “The Daily Show” last night to have a candid conversation with Iran about the risks of its bellicose behavior

Let me just say this Iran. Americans don’t hate you. And I hope Iranians don’t hate us. But if you really want a war, f*** with America during an election season.

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