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		<title>By: boopboop</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-4233322</link>
		<dc:creator>boopboop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 21:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;did you stick with it. i feel like i&#039;m destined to quit, start, quit, start, and then quit again. i&#039;m kinda over the quitting. might as well just stay a drunk because the quitting never lasts. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you stick with it. i feel like i&#8217;m destined to quit, start, quit, start, and then quit again. i&#8217;m kinda over the quitting. might as well just stay a drunk because the quitting never lasts. </p>
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		<title>By: Lazri</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2367381</link>
		<dc:creator>Lazri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 06:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Drying up so you don&#039;t drop your baby is commendable; but it leaves unresolved the emotional and interpersonal issues driving escapist behavior.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As human rights and development worker who wrestles with drinking I appreciate the insights of paranoia. In our culture, we have simultaneous understandings of drinking as both empowering and morally-bankrupt. Other forms of escapism or chemical medication -–over-working, media consumption, shopping, prescriptions, sun-tanning, etc-- do not carry the same social and legal reprimands as drinking. Yet, all these habits transcribe to our children in various destructive ways. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One reason I continue to pursue my substance career is because I see it as a mechanism for delving into thoughts and emotions unexplored by many. This view of the my desires for substances has enabled me to balance/control my tendency for over-indulgence with other aspects of my life. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Prohibition is just as extreme and violent as regular over-consumption.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drying up so you don&#8217;t drop your baby is commendable; but it leaves unresolved the emotional and interpersonal issues driving escapist behavior.  </p>
<p>As human rights and development worker who wrestles with drinking I appreciate the insights of paranoia. In our culture, we have simultaneous understandings of drinking as both empowering and morally-bankrupt. Other forms of escapism or chemical medication -–over-working, media consumption, shopping, prescriptions, sun-tanning, etc&#8211; do not carry the same social and legal reprimands as drinking. Yet, all these habits transcribe to our children in various destructive ways. </p>
<p>One reason I continue to pursue my substance career is because I see it as a mechanism for delving into thoughts and emotions unexplored by many. This view of the my desires for substances has enabled me to balance/control my tendency for over-indulgence with other aspects of my life. </p>
<p>Prohibition is just as extreme and violent as regular over-consumption.</p>
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		<title>By: rachelachmad</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2367216</link>
		<dc:creator>rachelachmad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 03:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for my daily gratitude and best of luck to you.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for my daily gratitude and best of luck to you.</p>
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		<title>By: deering</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2366201</link>
		<dc:creator>deering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2011 08:23:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;d bet good money that women who are so proud about drinking hard after having a baby are women who got sucked in by the &quot;Kodak moments and butterfly kisses&quot; idea of parenthood. Their resentment that they got suckered is the reason they stay in denial about their addiction past the point of reason. A shame--women back in the day had an excuse for feeling deceived because motherhood was uniformly held up as unbroken perfection. Women today should know way better.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d bet good money that women who are so proud about drinking hard after having a baby are women who got sucked in by the &#8220;Kodak moments and butterfly kisses&#8221; idea of parenthood. Their resentment that they got suckered is the reason they stay in denial about their addiction past the point of reason. A shame&#8211;women back in the day had an excuse for feeling deceived because motherhood was uniformly held up as unbroken perfection. Women today should know way better.</p>
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		<title>By: Rochelle</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2366007</link>
		<dc:creator>Rochelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 23:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Have you ever considered what would happen if your partner didn&#039;t actively disapprove of your drinking and/or you couldn&#039;t afford to go to rehab? I suspect that may be the case in the baby Lisa case. One cannot break the cycle alone.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever considered what would happen if your partner didn&#8217;t actively disapprove of your drinking and/or you couldn&#8217;t afford to go to rehab? I suspect that may be the case in the baby Lisa case. One cannot break the cycle alone.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.C. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Spot on.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: LinZoo</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2365984</link>
		<dc:creator>LinZoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This may sound crazy, but I don&#039;t believe in alcoholism. I think that treating alcoholics for alcoholism is missing the point, and that&#039;s why they tend to relapse. They&#039;re treating a symptom and not the disease. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The description of the reasons why the author began drinking make it seem to me that she has depression. If she had depression before she became pregnant, then what hit her postpartum must have been a real whammy. People self-medicate for depression with alcohol, but it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle. Having gotten drunk one night, your mood will be depressed for days after, from the effects of the alcohol and from the shame. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the author should see a cognitive behavioral therapist and/or a psychiatrist to be diagnosed and treated for the underlying mental illness and not waste her time attending meetings and beating herself up for being a selfish alcoholic with no self control. Just as someone with bad eyesight doesn&#039;t need to keep trying harder than everyone else does in order to see -- they just need glasses. Maybe you don&#039;t need to keep trying to as someone said &quot;white knuckle&quot; it exercising self control, maybe you just need medication.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This may sound crazy, but I don&#8217;t believe in alcoholism. I think that treating alcoholics for alcoholism is missing the point, and that&#8217;s why they tend to relapse. They&#8217;re treating a symptom and not the disease. </p>
<p>The description of the reasons why the author began drinking make it seem to me that she has depression. If she had depression before she became pregnant, then what hit her postpartum must have been a real whammy. People self-medicate for depression with alcohol, but it becomes a self-perpetuating cycle. Having gotten drunk one night, your mood will be depressed for days after, from the effects of the alcohol and from the shame. </p>
<p>I think the author should see a cognitive behavioral therapist and/or a psychiatrist to be diagnosed and treated for the underlying mental illness and not waste her time attending meetings and beating herself up for being a selfish alcoholic with no self control. Just as someone with bad eyesight doesn&#8217;t need to keep trying harder than everyone else does in order to see &#8212; they just need glasses. Maybe you don&#8217;t need to keep trying to as someone said &#8220;white knuckle&#8221; it exercising self control, maybe you just need medication.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2365963</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 22:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I always believed that &quot;post partum depression&quot; was due to a woman coming to her senses after all the hormones which drove her to motherhood have worn off. Once sobered up from a long running bout of hormonal drunkeness, her common sense finally kicks in, albeit belatedly. The realisation that she has just let herself in for a life long burden and responsibility FINALLY dawns on the lady; something she wasn&#039;t fully capable of seeing or appreciating up until then! The realisation that Mother Nature has used them, used their bodies and is now sticking them with the tab is too much for many, and drives them to depression and even drink!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always believed that &#8220;post partum depression&#8221; was due to a woman coming to her senses after all the hormones which drove her to motherhood have worn off. Once sobered up from a long running bout of hormonal drunkeness, her common sense finally kicks in, albeit belatedly. The realisation that she has just let herself in for a life long burden and responsibility FINALLY dawns on the lady; something she wasn&#8217;t fully capable of seeing or appreciating up until then! The realisation that Mother Nature has used them, used their bodies and is now sticking them with the tab is too much for many, and drives them to depression and even drink!</p>
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		<title>By: susan sunflower</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan sunflower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;agree -- and I think the interesting part of this story is her ongoing complexly deceptive relationship with her partner ... the drinking, not so much ... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My mother always drank ... always ... but she functioned at work ... she forgot promises, was generally always depressed and has &quot;ulcers&quot; and made us feel guilty for basic stuff like dinner and laundry, and was rarely moved to attend school or other functions preferring her &quot;adult time,&quot; vocal in demanding her right to it ... as with most children of alcoholics, seemed pretty much normal to me... her critics were &quot;jealous&quot; and her friends were all drinkers too. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was pretty much all-grown-up before I realized much of the damage done ... oh my bio-dad and then stepfather were more flagrant drunks ... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Adult Children of Alcoholics is worth checking out ... &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.adultchildren.org/lit/Problem.s&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/A&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agree &#8212; and I think the interesting part of this story is her ongoing complexly deceptive relationship with her partner &#8230; the drinking, not so much &#8230; </p>
<p>My mother always drank &#8230; always &#8230; but she functioned at work &#8230; she forgot promises, was generally always depressed and has &#8220;ulcers&#8221; and made us feel guilty for basic stuff like dinner and laundry, and was rarely moved to attend school or other functions preferring her &#8220;adult time,&#8221; vocal in demanding her right to it &#8230; as with most children of alcoholics, seemed pretty much normal to me&#8230; her critics were &#8220;jealous&#8221; and her friends were all drinkers too. </p>
<p>I was pretty much all-grown-up before I realized much of the damage done &#8230; oh my bio-dad and then stepfather were more flagrant drunks &#8230; </p>
<p>Adult Children of Alcoholics is worth checking out &#8230; <a href="http://www.adultchildren.org/lit/Problem.s" rel="nofollow">link</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: J.C. Miller</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2365780</link>
		<dc:creator>J.C. Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are  treatments available for addiction that are evidence-based (i.e. effective), accessible through mental health providers and some treatment programs. 12-step/AA involvement is not, and in fact provides failure rates of 90 - 95%.&lt;br /&gt;
Good luck.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are  treatments available for addiction that are evidence-based (i.e. effective), accessible through mental health providers and some treatment programs. 12-step/AA involvement is not, and in fact provides failure rates of 90 &#8211; 95%.<br />
Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: nessman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nessman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 17:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My mom was a drunk.  Let me tell you how much fun my childhood was.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You narcissistic addicted types... &quot;me me me me me... I can&#039;t cope with having a child, so I drink... me me me me me...&quot;  Oh shut the fuck up.    &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I got some advice for you... keep your legs shut, keep it in your pants, get snipped.  Because drunk parents (well in your case - drunk mom and shack-up baby daddy...) are in a child&#039;s best interest!  Yeah - right.  Loser.  (shaking my head)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stick with the 12-step program.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My mom was a drunk.  Let me tell you how much fun my childhood was.  </p>
<p>You narcissistic addicted types&#8230; &#8220;me me me me me&#8230; I can&#8217;t cope with having a child, so I drink&#8230; me me me me me&#8230;&#8221;  Oh shut the fuck up.    </p>
<p>I got some advice for you&#8230; keep your legs shut, keep it in your pants, get snipped.  Because drunk parents (well in your case &#8211; drunk mom and shack-up baby daddy&#8230;) are in a child&#8217;s best interest!  Yeah &#8211; right.  Loser.  (shaking my head)</p>
<p>Stick with the 12-step program.</p>
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		<title>By: parkandwreck</title>
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		<dc:creator>parkandwreck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Katers, if you have a child with fetal alcohol syndrome then you already know that drinking to excess while pregnant (which means that the mothers blood alcohol content is the same as the fetus) is a wholly different thing than drinking while breastfeeding. Breastmilk is not a shared blood supply. A small amount of alcohol in breastmilk is not comparable to what happens when a mother gets drunk while pregnant. But way to shame the author anyway.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Katers, if you have a child with fetal alcohol syndrome then you already know that drinking to excess while pregnant (which means that the mothers blood alcohol content is the same as the fetus) is a wholly different thing than drinking while breastfeeding. Breastmilk is not a shared blood supply. A small amount of alcohol in breastmilk is not comparable to what happens when a mother gets drunk while pregnant. But way to shame the author anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: ahansen</title>
		<link>http://www.salon.com/2011/11/05/i_was_a_drunk_mom/#comment-2365549</link>
		<dc:creator>ahansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 05:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lovely writing, Jowita.  Please don&#039;t be too hard on yourself.   Laugh with your little boy as often as you can.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely writing, Jowita.  Please don&#8217;t be too hard on yourself.   Laugh with your little boy as often as you can.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 04:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really loved your article and as the &quot;famous&quot; person you referred to, I obviously relate. And, to what you said towards the end of your article, no, you&#039;re certainly not alone. The longer I&#039;ve been sober the more cool, interesting and okay, not so cool or interesting but sober moms who you&#039;d never guess used to do the shit they did. Feel free to email me anytime. You did the right thing.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really loved your article and as the &#8220;famous&#8221; person you referred to, I obviously relate. And, to what you said towards the end of your article, no, you&#8217;re certainly not alone. The longer I&#8217;ve been sober the more cool, interesting and okay, not so cool or interesting but sober moms who you&#8217;d never guess used to do the shit they did. Feel free to email me anytime. You did the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: braxy29</title>
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		<dc:creator>braxy29</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2011 00:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thank you for sharing this.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you for sharing this.</p>
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		<title>By: susan sunflower</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan sunflower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I sounds like you were and are an alcoholic ... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just temporarily sober prior to your child...&lt;br /&gt;
as you are now &quot;currently sober&quot; until/unless you &quot;give in&quot; as almost all white-knuckle alcoholics eventually do. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Stay with the program.&lt;br /&gt;
As they say, keep coming back.&lt;br /&gt;
Good luck.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sounds like you were and are an alcoholic &#8230; </p>
<p>just temporarily sober prior to your child&#8230;<br />
as you are now &#8220;currently sober&#8221; until/unless you &#8220;give in&#8221; as almost all white-knuckle alcoholics eventually do. </p>
<p>Stay with the program.<br />
As they say, keep coming back.<br />
Good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: joyous24</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Courageous article. Extremely compelling evidence of how alcohol can override one of a mother&#039;s basic desires to be competent and present. Your experience is an inspiration to others. Thank you again.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Courageous article. Extremely compelling evidence of how alcohol can override one of a mother&#8217;s basic desires to be competent and present. Your experience is an inspiration to others. Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: mfloydhall</title>
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		<dc:creator>mfloydhall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 22:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You&#039;ve done the right thing. Don&#039;t beat yourself up too much. You&#039;ve been through an emotional time. You fucked up a little bit and you fixed it. You&#039;re good.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve done the right thing. Don&#8217;t beat yourself up too much. You&#8217;ve been through an emotional time. You fucked up a little bit and you fixed it. You&#8217;re good.</p>
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		<title>By: andy gayton</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy gayton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;kudos.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but let me just say, i&#039;d rather have a reformed drunk than &quot;yoga&quot; mom any day of the week.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;booze isn&#039;t the only way to get away.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kudos.</p>
<p>but let me just say, i&#8217;d rather have a reformed drunk than &#8220;yoga&#8221; mom any day of the week.</p>
<p>booze isn&#8217;t the only way to get away.</p>
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		<title>By: Katers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 21:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you for this story and for having the courage to write it!&lt;br /&gt;
I hope your calculations for breastmilk expression were correct.  My son has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and will always suffer from multiple disabilities.  His birth mother was an alcoholic and also breastfed for several weeks after he was born. He is beautiful and lovable and fun, but at 13 he cannot add 3 + 3 or spell his name correctly.&lt;br /&gt;
Good luck in the future and stay strong!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this story and for having the courage to write it!<br />
I hope your calculations for breastmilk expression were correct.  My son has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and will always suffer from multiple disabilities.  His birth mother was an alcoholic and also breastfed for several weeks after he was born. He is beautiful and lovable and fun, but at 13 he cannot add 3 + 3 or spell his name correctly.<br />
Good luck in the future and stay strong!</p>
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