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April 11, 2000 | "I find the mundane of the everyday incredibly interesting," the
40-year-old writer-director-actor says about his lyrical new film, "Joe Gould's
Secret." "I think that what we do in our everyday lives is very dramatic --
the intricacies and delicacies involved in our relationships, and how we lie
to ourselves and to each other in subtle ways, and how we tell the truth.
These seemingly mundane things, they have great meaning." Sipping his tea in a restaurant on New York's Upper West Side, with a violin case balanced against his thigh (he's learning to play for an upcoming role),
Tucci is intelligent, exceptionally warm and vastly curious. He offers up a slew of questions even as he's delineating his own thoughts on a given topic.
An Italian-American brought up in Ketonah, just outside of Manhattan, Tucci
speaks at a rapid, animated clip as he discusses his take on the
state of filmmaking today. "I believe that plot comes from character as opposed to vice versa.
Those are the films I'm interested in. If plot exists it always becomes
farcical to me," says Tucci, and his movies prove that point. He's much more interested in developing rich characters than in fussing with plot constructs. Tucci's last Sundance film run was four years ago as the co-writer,
costar and co-director (with Campbell Scott) of "Big Night," the story of a
pair of Italian restaurateur brothers. Tucci describes the open-ended
process of revising this script as "writing and writing for a long, long time." Then, he says, he met his wife and saw what she was doing: raising two kids by herself
and running a day-care center. "I thought, well, my God, if that woman can
do all that, you can certainly finish this fucking stupid script." The film
went on to be a critical favorite. In 1998 Tucci made "The Impostors," a
slapstick ensemble Beckett-fest about two struggling thespians. Though the
film was panned by critics, it gathered a hefty base of devotees. "The three films I've made, they all deal with the same theme; even
though they're totally different, the essence of them is the same. In 'Big
Night' it's very much about the creative process and the question of how do
you remain truthful to your art. And 'The Impostors,' for all its
ridiculousness, has exactly that theme running through it. Joe Gould is the
same thing, in that his quest is to be true to his art." "Joe Gould's Secret," set in a painstakingly re-created 1940s and 1950s Manhattan, is based on the complex real-life relationship
between legendary New Yorker writer Joseph Mitchell and Joe Gould, a
homeless, Harvard-educated man who claimed to be writing "The Oral History of Our Time."
During the course of that relationship, the two men hold fast to a secret that will preserve Gould's honor, becoming shades of one another in the process. Tucci, who costars as the
soft-spoken Mitchell in a deliberately understated performance, has once again chosen a subtle aesthetic form that he hopes will challenge mainstream moviegoers. The film, which debuted at Sundance to mostly positive reviews, was
slighted by some critics for not having more of a dramatic arc or climax.
"What do they want -- a gunfight, a car chase?" Tucci gibes. "It's just so
silly to me. People have become programmed. We're reduced to actors'
spreading their legs in front of us and pulling down their pants. I mean,
that's how low we've come; that's what we want now. There's no subtlety to
it." "Joe Gould's Secret" has just such a distinct subtle cadence. The
narrative structure comes from two pieces published in the New Yorker,
written by Mitchell, whose collected writings, "Up in the Old Hotel," had been
tempting Tucci for years before he committed to the project in 1997. He was
inspired by Mitchell's understated approach to storytelling. "Everybody
wants a big story. Mitchell wanted the opposite of a big story. He once
said that the most dramatic event he'd ever witnessed was a woodpecker
pecking away at a tree down South. The more commonplace something was, the
more profound it was. He writes with no judgment and no affectation. He
just tells the story as simply and as truthfully as possible. That's what I
admire; that to me is what I aspire to as a writer-director." Through the use of scenes played primarily in wide frame and master shots, the film wistfully and beautifully captures the complicated
entanglements of relationships without lapsing into sentimentality. The quiet bleeding over of emotional experience between people of divergent backgrounds finds a framework in the parallels between the courtly, Southern-born Mitchell, who spends his days roaming the streets of the city absorbing the idiosyncratic details of its inhabitants, and his most fascinating and petulant subject, Gould. Brilliantly played by Ian Holm, who also starred in "Big Night," Gould
is portrayed as a formidable, histrionic, eccentric street person who's often defeated by his own wildly mercurial nature. Gould spends his evenings
visiting with friends such as Ezra Pound and e.e. cummings and frequenting the
famed Raven Poetry Society, charming its patrons into donating to the "Joe
Gould Fund." This officiously titled foundation is ostensibly a means for
Gould to dedicate his life to writing a record of the vocal meandering of
the ordinary folk he encounters in his day-to-day travels. Enormously proud
of an output he estimates at 12 million words, Gould has grandly vowed to
complete his "informal history of the shirt-sleeved multitudes -- what they had
to say about their jobs, love affairs, victuals, sprees, scrapes and
sorrows -- or I'll perish in the attempt."
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