On "Salon Talks," James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, opens up about the 2013 testimony during which Sen. Ron Wyden asked him if the NSA collected data on Americans, plus its link to the Edward Snowden's leaks, which followed shortly after. On Snowden, Clapper told Salon's Andrew O'Hehir, "I could almost understand what he did if his revelations were limited only to so-called domestic surveillance, but he exposed so much else, and compromised so much else that had absolutely nothing to do with so-called domestic intelligence." He continued, "If you're a taxpayer, you're gonna be paying, we all are, to recover from the damage that he's caused."