Salon's Sexiest Men of 2011

Salon’s Sexiest Man of 2011: The interview

Our man on top leads a children's choir that stirred a nation's heart. He stirs ours VIDEO

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Salon's Sexiest Man of 2011: The interviewGregg Breinberg (Credit: Lisa Kochman)

This year, Gregg Breinberg, the choir leader at PS 22 in Staten Island, N.Y., topped our list of the sexiest men of the year. (Check out the full list here.) So this week, we called him up to talk about his extraordinary work, his role in his kids’ lives — and gave him the big news.

Why has this children’s choir, out of all the children’s choirs in the world, made such a tremendous impact in the past few years?

All of the pieces kind of fit together. I mean, they’re an elementary-school group of 10-year-old kids — public school kids, no less — that are singing in pretty perfect harmony, which is rare, as most parents of children that age know from going to see the school shows and just cringing. They sound really good, they actually execute difficult music and perform legitimate renditions of songs that pay homage to the original but, like any good cover, takes its own direction. And aside from that, just the amount of heart and soul they put into the performances. They put the magic in the music with their emotional delivery, which you don’t really expect from kids their age.

How do you coax that out of them?

At this point, I really don’t even have to coax it out, because the kids have seen the chorus perform before. At the beginning, there was more coaxing — you know, “C’mon guys, you gotta try and feel it!” — but now it’s an issue of making an environment where they feel comfortable enough to express themselves without fear of being ridiculed by peers. That’s something I pride myself in — I create an environment where it’s safe for the kids to explore.

What role did music play in your life when you were a kid?

When I was their age I don’t think music meant as much to me as it does to them. I didn’t understand what music had to offer in terms of self-expression. Back then, it was more notes and rhythms and stuff, but I always loved singing. In my household we were always singing.

Once I got to high school, music became something much more significant to me — it became more like my savior. I’ve said before that I think music has really saved my life in that it gave me that direction that I didn’t have. It was just a way to get in touch with the kinds of emotions that teenagers, and all kids, I think, feel but don’t necessarily get in touch with. Music is that tool to connect the dots.

If they’re able to do that at this age, they’re able to do it for the rest of their lives. You need to give them that freedom of expression and show them it’s OK — that’s why I don’t come up with choreographed routines. I mean, it’s busy what’s going on in these videos, because everyone’s kind of doing their own thing. These are 60 kids, all individuals, and yet coming together. It’s just like this great representation of the world and what the world should be: coming together in harmony. Everyone is being themselves, and yet it all works as a group.

How has learning how to express themselves through music changed the kids?

Oh man, I’ve seen kids that, honestly, I thought were mute, I really didn’t think they had a voice, and then they find it. It’s just amazing to see kids come out of their shells, to gain that self-confidence. Also, music is just this incredible discipline: You have kids who have a really hard time focusing, but they have the music in them and it’s their pathway to learning. They’re able to focus on these musical concepts that are mathematical, and maybe they don’t succeed in math class, but they’re learning the same math concepts doing what they love to do. It helps them academically: Self-confidence is the key to everything in life; you have to just believe in yourself. If they find that one thing that they can do well, that will carry over. We’ve seen kids make amazing strides, kids that were failing jump to the top of their class. That’s the best, when you see that it’s more than just music that they’re learning here.

How does that feel for you to have helped kick-start their lives in that way?

That’s the best part of the job, Oscars not withstanding. When you see your students making life changes for the better, that’s all you could possibly hope for as a teacher, no matter what you teach. What I’m doing with chorus, I think people do with their own subjects — maybe chorus is a little bit more flashy, it’s not like a math group is going to become a YouTube sensation, but I think any good teacher is looking to wake up their students and change their lives. Fortunately, at my school I work with some amazing colleagues who do what I do in their own way and in their own subjects. It’s wonderful the amount of attention that the chorus has gotten, but it’s important to remember that there are a lot of great teachers doing exactly what I’m doing in their own subject.

Have you worried about all the attention going to the kids’ heads?

Honestly, it’s like we’re in our own little box here. It doesn’t really directly touch their lives like it would if they were professionals. They’re just doing what they would normally be doing at any school, they just happen to have a lot of people following what they’re doing. I don’t think they really know, I don’t think they really get it. I try to balance building it up with not building them up too much.

But that’s where I excel, more so than my musicality. I’m not the best musician out there, for sure, but I know how to lead a group. I know how to make everybody feel important, that they’re contributing something. Sometimes when they come in and they’re low energy, I tell them, “I need you guys! What you need from me, I need from you.” They get that and they like that, and it empowers them because they know that they’re providing something in the melee. They’re just as important to what’s going on, every single one of them. That kid who’s not on track can throw me off and distract me, and that in turn will throw off the whole group, so they all feel empowered and important to the success of the performances and the group itself.

That seems like such a crucial lesson, that even as one person in a big group you can have a major influence.

Absolutely. In the long run, that helps me because, again, they feel a certain importance and responsibility. I’m very honest with them: When they’re great, I will tell them, and when they stink, I tell ‘em. I call the shots as I see them and that builds the respect. If I constantly told them how great and wonderful they are, they wouldn’t buy it. Kids are sometimes a lot more in-tune than people give them credit for. That’s one of the biggest things about the group that appeals to people. The arrangements are not being kid-ified, they’re not condescending to them.

How has the success of the choir affected your personal life?

Honestly, it’s killed it. The amount of work I do, it’s monopolizing, it takes over. But I don’t complain because I love it. It’s truly the highlight of my life. What I’m giving here is the most important thing that I have to give. So, it’s not a sacrifice that really hurts my heart too much, because I’m happy. I found what I’m meant to do. How many people have to work eight-hour shifts on a job they can’t stand? I love going to work. I found exactly where I’m supposed to be in terms of my professional life. Now I gotta work on that a little in terms of my private life but –

There’s always something!

Yeah, and there’s time. Same thing with the chorus, if you look for things, they don’t happen, but if you just let things happen and do your thing and put yourself out there, things will eventually happen for you. I figure eventually that will happen for me in my private life. Life is all about finding a balance and I’m still working on that, but I love what I do and I have no complaints. People say, “What are you going to do from here? You have this wonderful platform” — well, no, this is the platform and I want to stay on it. To me, all the success that these kids have had shows me that — bam — you’ve put yourself exactly where you need to be in your life.

So, I actually have a surprise for you.

Uh-oh.

Every year, Salon comes up with a list to counter People magazine’s “Sexiest Men” list …

Oh, God help me.

And this year, we chose you for our list.

[Explodes in laughter] That is awesome! My mother’s going to be very thrilled about that one — and maybe that will help my social life as well!

And, actually, not only did we choose you for our list, but we chose you as No. 1.

No way! Oh my God, I’m honored, thank you. Jeez, that is hysterical. Thank you!

Something to add to the dazzling résumé –

That may be No. 1. My kids are totally gonna tease me, you realize?

Oh, I’m sure, fifth-graders?

Oh, I’m dead.

 

 

Tracy Clark-Flory

Tracy Clark-Flory is a staff writer at Salon. Follow @tracyclarkflory on Twitter.

Manny Pacquiao loses his crown

The boxer's anti-gay remarks lead us to take an unprecedented step: We're revoking his Salon Sexiest Man title

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Manny Pacquiao loses his crownSteve Carell and Manny Pacquiao (Credit: AP)

We’re all relieved around here that Manny Pacquiao is not really some Leviticus-quoting loon who says that gays “must be put to death” – even if that may have something to do with the fact that he admits “I haven’t read the Book of Leviticus yet.”

But it’s nonetheless disappointing that a man we at Salon bestowed our highest honor to just six months ago has proven himself so terribly unenlightened. In an interview for Examiner.com last week, one of our 2011 Sexiest Men declared of marriage, “It should not be of the same sex so as to adulterate the altar of matrimony, like in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah of Old.” Oh dear. Winning lots of fights? Sexy. Getting elected to the Filipino Congress? Sexy. “Donating millions to improve living conditions in his poverty-stricken nation”? Super hot. Not being down with civil rights? Bzzzzzzt!

That is why we have decided to take an unprecedented step here at Sexiest Men World Headquarters. We have in the past fought epic, bloody internal battles over men like Zach Galifianakis, Al Franken and Louis C.K. But we have never, in our sexy, sexy history, revoked a man’s title. Until now.

We understand that the Roman Catholic boxer has to be true to his beliefs, and we would never insist that falling in lock step with Salon’s own socialist, American fabric-destroying agenda is the only criterion for making the list. It’s just that we suddenly don’t feel like going a few sweaty rounds with a dude who thinks civil rights “adulterate the altar of matrimony.”

So instead we’re passing on the crown to one of last year’s runner-ups. Like Pacquiao — and also like our beloved first Sexiest Man, Carell’s former “Daily Show” colleague Stephen Colbert – he’s a happily married, self-described “born and bred” Catholic. But this one says, “I stay clear of declaring my political choices,” insisting humbly, “I feel like my voice is no more valuable, no less valuable than anyone else’s.”

What really makes us go weak in the knees is how he turned a bumbling, inept bag-of-wind character and made us care when he said goodbye to “The Office.” And, last summer, he took a broken, pathetic, recently divorced dad and made him so tenderly romantic (and so darn good-looking in a tailored suit) he nearly made us forget Ryan Gosling in “Crazy, Stupid Love.” We’ve had a thing for him since before he became a 40-year-old virgin. We’d choose him as our friend for the end of the world. How could we ever have been so blinded by that pugilistic piece of beefcake? That’s why today, we’re asking newest Salon Sexy Man Steve Carell, will you gay marry us?

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Gay vs. straight: What’s a sexy man?

The man and woman behind Salon's annual countdown debate true meaning of attractiveness

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Gay vs. straight: What's a sexy man? (Credit: iStockphoto/TomFullum/repinanatoly/gilaxia)

Thomas Rogers, Salon editor: Over the last few weeks, you and I have spent a lot of time discussing the meaning of male sexiness as we’ve put together our annual Sexiest Man list. We’ve been doing that list in one form or another for the last five years, and every year it turns into a battle between editors, between writers, between interns (all of Salon has painful memories of Zach Galifianakis-gate 2010).

Part of what makes this process so complicated is that, unlike People’s Sexiest Man Alive list, our list is premised on something more complicated. We’re looking for men that aren’t just physically attractive, but actually have other sexy qualities — that are interesting and smart or edgy, and this year in particular, politically aware — and as a result, people’s suggestions tend to offer a lot of insight into their own preferences and personalities. But this year especially, the differences between gay men’s and straight women’s notions of attractiveness have become a talking point since, as you’re probably aware, you are a straight woman and I am a gay man.

It really brought us together. I would send something to you and you’d be all, “gross,” and you’d send something to me, and I’d respond by calling you a 1950s Long Island housewife. You know, the normal kind of healthy bickering.

Tracy Clark-Flory, Salon sex writer: You know, I’m dying to know your thoughts on Ryan Gosling’s sex appeal. Before our list turned toward a more earnest vision of sexiness, he was the subject of much debate: He seemed too obvious to include on the list but too obvious to not include on the list. I’ve made my feelings on this topic well-known – although even I am experiencing fatigue at this point — but it’s always seemed that you have a lack of libidinous feeling for Gosling. Somehow, I just don’t see you getting hot and bothered over the sex scene in “The Notebook.” Am I right? And does he fit a “type” in the gay universe?

Thomas Rogers: It’s funny because there’s this cliche about gay male attraction, that we’re more interested in muscle-y, well-groomed men — partly because we’re more visually oriented — while straight women are more likely to be attracted to the “regular guy.” The gay male obsession with the muscle queen has a curious history that goes back to the years immediately following Stonewall, when something called the “clone” aesthetic appeared. The clone was a man who was muscular, and manly, and generally wore jeans and work boots and tight T-shirts. It was a hyper-masculine look, a way of compensating for the perceived effeminacy of gay men. And although the clone has disappeared since the ’70s, it has since morphed into the steroidal, plucked circuit boy — an obvious example of this would be Reichen Lehmkuhl, from “The Amazing Race” and “The A-List.” These are the kinds of guys that most people tend to think of when they picture upper-middle-class white gay men, and the people that tend to populate gay ghettos, like Chelsea, in New York.

Of all the people we’ve discussed, Ryan Gosling is the closest to that gay aesthetic. He’s definitely buff and handsome in all the traditional ways, and he’s definitely very Manly (with a capital “M”), even though his masculinity does seem affected (New York magazine has pointed to his gradual move from a Southern Ontarian to a working-class Brooklyn accent). That said, there’s something about him that leaves me cold, and I’m actually fascinated by the fact that he doesn’t seem to have a huge following among gay men. It’s a little perplexing to me, but it might be because his career really became big when he played a very heterosexual role in “The Notebook,” or the fact that he’s never played a character that comes close to being gay, or the fact that his self-deprecating persona isn’t over the top enough for gay culture to grasp onto. Mostly, I find him physically attractive but otherwise not particularly interesting.

That said, I’d love to hear what you think distinguishes the kinds of men gay guys are attracted to compared to straight women. What do you think is the overriding distinction?

Tracy Clark-Flory: It’s funny, because when I’ve been in gay bars, I’ve thought: This is my own personal heaven — until I remember that none of the men are straight. Then it seems more like hell. This is likely a factor of the kind of gay clubs that I’ve gone to: They’re heavy on Lady Gaga and “steroidal circuit boys.” The men are a certain type of beautiful, like they just stepped out of a Christina Aguilera music video circa 1999. I’ve found myself giggling uncontrollably at the eye candy, feeling like I’m getting a contact high from all the free-flowing testosterone. I’ve also found that some of the men in these bars are very eager to flirt and dance with me and my female friends, which goes along with the “clone” history; it seems there’s a real desire to play-act heterosexuality in an exaggerated, and maybe even defensive, manner.

In general, think it’s really difficult to say what differentiates gay male and straight female attraction as a whole because individuals vary so dramatically, even just within each group. I appreciate what seems from the outside like a reverence for the male form — eroticized in a way you just won’t see in lady-mag pictorials of boring beefcakes. But I know plenty of straight women who find it all too much — too graphic, too scary, too aggressive. Some straight women love hardcore gay male porn, while others find it horrifying — I could go on and on. If I were to attempt an answer in broad strokes, though, it would be that the difference is in the romantic narrative. I think the back story is especially important to women. For me, the appeal of Gosling has actually very little to do with his physicality — based on looks alone, he’s just another handsome guy. It’s the persona that he’s cultivated through the roles he’s chosen and the interviews that he’s given. He embodies the most beguiling type of romantic hero there is: The sensitive bad boy. He may be poor or a crack addict, depending on the role, but he’s always loving, devoted and romantic. I think there’s a real awareness among straight women of just how silly and unrealistic this is. That’s part of why these memes have been so wildly popular — they all poke fun at the absurdity of this romantic fantasy, while at the same time reveling in it.

Thomas Rogers: I do think the cliche of the gay male being very interested in the superficial elements of male sexiness is changing, actually. The rise of bear culture (and its hilarious offshoot of otter culture) has helped to splinter standards of attractiveness in the gay world in some really interesting ways. You know, I always feel like I’m writing about generational change and gay culture, but I do think there’s something interesting that’s happening right now. The aesthetic among the younger gay crowd, the people I know who live in the alternative gay ghettos in New York or Toronto or elsewhere, tend to be a lot scruffier, a lot “bearier” than the people you’ve described (and generally more toward many of the people you see on this list). The overall aesthetic still seems to be a bit more pronounced and artificial than among straight men — the haircuts a bit more extreme, or the beards a bit more trimmed, or the arms are a bit more worked out — but not that much. So we might be seeing a bit of a shift there.

One of my early suggestions, which was promptly shot down, was Damian Abraham, the lead singer of the hardcore band Fucked Up. Abraham, I had thought, would have a number of things going for him. For one, he’s in one of the buzziest bands of 2011. And he’s also a pretty awesome guy — when they won a massive Canadian music prize in 2009, for example, he gave the money to a charity for aboriginal women, and he’s done literacy work. And yet, he didn’t get any love from straight lady folk. I wonder if it’s because Abraham is, by all accounts, a “bear” — a large hirsute man. In the course of my life, I’ve gravitated a lot more toward bear and otter culture (otters are basically skinny, furry gay men) than toward the mainstream Chelsea aesthetic, so my love of Abraham might have to do with the fact that he’s really the opposite of the muscle queen. (I should point out that I was definitely on Team Galifianakis back in 2010.)

Tracy Clark-Flory: There are certain bear qualities that I find irresistible — like body hair, stoutness and the general air of rugged masculinity. I’m especially partial to “muscle bears” (see: Brian “The Beard” Wilson, my choice for last year’s list). But Abraham doesn’t do anything for me and I will admit that it’s largely due to the belly. That’s not to say that I haven’t been attracted to larger men before — after being charmed by their dazzling intellect, sense of humor or what have you — but on a strictly superficial level, no. (I will also add that what I have heard of Abraham’s musical stylings has not swayed my initial superficial response.)

Like you say, this may be a factor of being immersed in straight culture. The only times I’ve been exposed to big-bellied men in a sexual context has been in straight porn where the “dirty old man” factor is played up. The erotic charge of the scene is designed to come from the humiliation of the attractive girl being taken by the disgusting man — that whole genre is like a porno remake of “Beauty and the Beast.” And, in general, representations of heftier guys in the hetero world tend to be limited to unflattering stereotypes of laziness, weakness and small penises. It’s awful, but that’s our cultural climate and I’m certainly a product of it.

Thomas Rogers: I do think this year’s list posed an interesting challenge. Unlike previous years, where we included actors, we were limiting ourselves to people who were politically aware, and in line with the changes in the Zeitgeist that have occurred, with the rise of occupy and the dismal state of the economy. It seems a little ridiculous to ask, “What is sexy during a time of economic crisis?” It’s sort of like that Onion piece after 9/11 that asked, “What is sexy after 9/11?” The answer is, of course, that sexy people are sexy. But a few people have written in the past about the ways in which poor economic times change the way we think of sex, and manliness in particular. One could argue that, in times like these, we become more attracted to strong masculine figures who can offer security. But I honestly think that, if anything, a strong sense of groundedness and perspective become more attractive. And I think our list reflects that.

Tracy Clark-Flory: I agree. The Alpha Male certainly reigned in the 9/11 aftermath, but there’s a hunger now for a masculinity that is thoughtful and measured. Gender roles have had to change and adapt throughout this recession; and as a result, many people’s sense of what it means to be a provider has shifted. We’re living in the 21st century: Being able to slay the largest wildebeest is no longer enough.That reminds me: I’ve spent time at Occupy protests both in Zuccotti Park and at Oakland’s City Hall, and I have to admit to being at times flustered by the supreme cuteness of some male protesters. I’m not going to start a “Hot Guys of Occupy Wall Street” blog or anything, but it was certainly a reminder of how attractive involvement and passion can be — and how thoroughly unattractive apathy is. Maybe that’s somewhere gay male and straight female attraction can meet.

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