Defense Secretary Robert Gates is dismissing as harsh reality the accusations that Pakistani officials arrested several people who provided information to the CIA before the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
While Gates did not directly confirm the reports, he is telling senators that "most governments lie to each other," sometimes they arrest people, and sometimes they spy on us. He says it's the "real world we deal with."
Gates was responding to sharp questions from Vermont Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy during a Capitol Hill hearing.
Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, says the U.S. is struggling to rebuild its badly broken relationship with Pakistan.
A Western official in Pakistan has confirmed that five Pakistanis were arrested by Pakistan's top intelligence service.