Cover detail of Amy Schumer's "The Girl With the Lower Back Tattoo" (Gallery Books)

Amy Schumer on her "degenerate" friends, and how she dealt with the "Trainwreck" shooting

Schumer held nothing back in her interview with Lena Dunham in "Lenny"

Scott Eric Kaufman
September 2, 2016 4:20PM (UTC)

Amy Schumer gave an extensive interview to Lena Dunham in the latest issue of "Lenny" in which she discussed, among other things, a number of recent controversies in which she's become embroiled -- as well as how difficult it's been for her to deal with the recent spate of mass-shootings, including the one at her own film, "Trainwreck."

Foremost among the controversies was the anti-feminist trolling of her friend and former "Inside Amy Schumer" staff writer, Kurt Metzger. "First I was like, 'Fuck Kurt,'" she began.


"It’s been years that he’s been doing this. He’s one of those guys, like a lot of the guys that I’m friends with, who are degenerates. Kurt was saying this awful stuff, and in previous years, I would be like, 'You’ve got to shut up.'"

"He’d be like, 'All right,'" she continued. "Then it would kind of go away. This time, it was just so bad. But also, why are these women treating him like he raped someone? He’s not Bill Cosby; Kurt has never raped. What he was saying was horrific, and he was being a troll. He can be an Internet troll. The fact that I had to answer for it ... I was like, 'Ugh, why this week?'"

Schumer admitted, however, that she understood why people were upset with her. "I do understand that [Kurt’s actions] would come back to me," she said. "I can see myself thinking that if I heard somebody on someone’s staff was doing that. I’d be like, 'I wonder how they are going to handle that.' I get it. I get it, and I wasn’t even resentful of the connection. I was resentful of the lack of trust."

Schumer also opened up about her reaction to the murders of Mayci Breaux and Jillian Johnson at a 2015 screening of her film "Trainwreck."

"[I]t just crushed me," she said. "I felt so powerless. And it felt a little bit like something that I had done, that there was a connection to me actually hurting people. I didn’t really know how to react. I was so upset, I watched the news that whole night, I was just fucking fucked up by it."

"Any shooting fucks me up, of course," Schumer continued. "There are some shootings I will choose to skip. Like I skipped Sandy Hook. I was like, no, no, not letting this in, I can’t. I didn’t go too deep into Orlando. I was like, I can’t go down the rabbit hole because it really fucking kills me for at least a week."


Scott Eric Kaufman

Scott Eric Kaufman is an assistant editor at Salon. He taught at a university, but then thought better of it. Follow him at @scottekaufman or email him at

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