Hollywood fights back

Harvey Weinstein goes ballistic on a Bush aide; Freepers unload on Rush Limbaugh; Orrin Hatch talks about drugs.


Anthony York
March 16, 2001 10:41PM (UTC)

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Drudge Report: "Julia Roberts Unloads on Bush."
Andrew Sullivan: "John F. Kennedy's actions as president are not owned by his family."
SmirkingChimp.com: "Get ready -- here comes the fight over abortion limits."
Opinion Journal: "Bush's Treasury secretary gets off to a bad start."
BuzzFlash.com: "Democrats to Bush: Stop Trash Talking the Economy!"
Modern Humorist: "The W is for Writer: The president discusses his new book and literary life."
Peggy Noonan: "The Clinton administration produced few books worth reading. Bush may be different. "

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Anger management

There were threads aplenty at Lucianne.com this morning in response to an item in the New York Post titled "Harvey Weinstein Flips Out," about the Miramax chief's dressing down of Bush media advisor Mark McKinnon.

"An insider reports that Weinstein launched into a 'pro-Clinton tirade' and then started addressing his remarks directly to Bush media adviser Mark McKinnon, who was in the audience. 'You only won the election by copying Clintonian tactics,' Weinstein barked. 'And, by the way, you didn't win, and I don't know how you live with yourself.'"

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"Watch for a spate of paranoid-thrillers, starring Kevin Costner, about how evil Republicans and their co-conspirators on the U.S. Supreme Court stole the election from the hapless but noble Al Gore," writes one poster. "Watch every one of these movies bomb."

Online "Traffic"

The Washington Post reports that the Oscar-nominated movie "Traffic" is changing the way Americans think about the war on drugs. In a Senate hearing Wednesday, a bipartisan group of senators, including Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, explored alternatives to incarceration for nonviolent drug offenders.

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"In a case of policy imitating art, or at least echoing it, a Senate hearing room yesterday resounded with pleas for a 'balanced' and 'holistic' approach to fighting drugs in which treatment and education programs are elevated to the same importance as law enforcement agencies charged with targeting drug producers and importers," the Post reports.

On the Web, the drug war is one of those odd issues where traditional party labels do not hold, where libertarianism seems to transcend standard partisan definitions. "Politicians use it to get re-elected. It is going to take a two-term President to try to stop it. It's going to take Republicans to stop it," writes one poster at Lucianne.com. "It's like [Nixon] going to China. Republican politicians are so invested in it that they think they really are 'fighting for the children.' (Or they think that they have convinced their voters that that's what they are doing.) ... This escalation that has been going on for 20 years is not the answer."

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In fact, the entire Lucianne.com thread is made up of conservatives in favor of ending the drug war. Over at CNN.com, a long-standing discussion on the drug war seems to find a similar consensus among conservatives, liberals and everyone in between. This post is indicative of the thread:

The current War On People ... err ... Drugs ... has been a complete waste of time that's cost over $600 Billion. Drug use is at an all time high, and it's time that the failing policy is changed. The only thing it has accomplished, is creating a welfare system for police.

I believe all drugs should be legalized and sold only to adults. Kids have easier access to drugs than they do alcohol, as you can get drugs in almost every school in the nation. (You can't buy alcohol at school.) Legalizing drugs would take them out of the drug dealers hands and put them into a controlled distribution system. This kind of system would do something that drug dealers don't do: ID their customers. Taking drugs away from drug dealers would also bring the black market to its knees. No profit, no market. Drug related crimes would also drop significantly.

But in other drug-related threads on Table Talk, political chatter is strictly verboten. As one poster put it, "Man, don't drag those harsh politics into this groovy mellow discussion."

Limbaugh vs. the Freepers

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There's a tiff growing between right-wing radio and right-wing bulletin board. Apparently, there are some creative differences between Rush Limbaugh and the Free Republic. Freepers accused Limbaugh of taking marching orders from the Republican National Committee, and failing to criticize the appointment of Paul Cellucci as ambassador to Canada. Here's a transcript of a call to Limbaugh's syndicated radio program, posted by someone on the Free Republic site (we can't vouch for its accuracy):

Limbaugh: I'm minding my own business last night, I'm working hard preparing for today's program and I'm going through the general e-mail box. I don't have time to do that a lot but last night I made time to do it -- and all of a sudden I'm getting spammed. I'm getting spammed by people on a single topic. And all it says in the subject line is "Cellucci." And I said "What the hell is this?" I hate getting spam. It bugs me, because it means that people aren't writing of their own volition and it means a bunch of robots are being programmed to do it by some controlling figure. Some Pied Piper is telling these people what to do so I figure it's gotta be the Freepers.

So I read the notes and sure enough one of the notes sent me a thread from Free Republic. And you know what the thread said? The thread said that I had been asked by the RNC or the White House to shut up about the Cellucci nomination. Now I hate to tell you this and I wrote this guy back, and I hate to admit this to you Jim, I hate to admit it but it's the truth ... I couldn't even figure out who Cellucci was last night, much less what the Cellucci nomination was. So I went and read the thread, and okay Cellucci is Paul Cellucci, the former governor of Massachusetts. And then I learned he's been nominated as ambassador to Canada -- a real top drawer appointment and issue. And then I see that there are some accompanying notes that there's some issue associated with fisting.

Needless to say, the criticism did not go over well at F.R. among some of the more thin-skinned posters:

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After hearing your diatribe against Freepers today, I stopped being a lurker and joined their group. So thanks, you did for Free Republic what Rosie O'Donnell did for the NRA, caused people to join them. Guess you have so many listeners that you can afford to tick off a few thousand, huh? Wonder if your sponsors would agree with that scenario?

So thanks for the memories.

Ex-rushie

Someone get me a hankie!

Others demonstrated more resolve, accusing the Limbaugh-bashers of melodrama: "I'm amazed. I heard the same show you heard, and yet, I have every intention of listening to Limbaugh tomorrow, just like always. Why is he not entitled to the same freedom of speech and opinion that we advocate?"

With renewed calls for Freepers to spam and call Limbaugh's show today, this war continues at the Free Republic. And Limbaugh seemed to be taking it all in stride, even posting a doctored graphic on his Web site from a Freeper taking a little potshot. "Thank goodness someone out there has a sense of humor," he writes.

Florida: The running tally

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The official, certified, Supreme Court-approved presidential Florida vote tally gave George W. Bush the state -- and the election -- by a mere 537 votes. But a number of newspapers have begun recounting the contested ballots, scrutinizing the overvotes (those with more than one punch per race) and undervotes (with all of their dimples and hanging chads), and coming up with their own totals. Some newspapers have formed consortiums (the New York Times, Wall Street Journal and Associated Press are one; the Miami Herald, USA Today and Knight Ridder are the other) and will be releasing their findings within a month.

But early results are trickling in, bringing bittersweet good news for Al Gore. Though reaching one final number is difficult because different papers came up with different vote tallies in reviewing Miami-Dade and Palm Beach counties, one thing is clear: Gore would have gained anywhere from 7,658 to 7,800 votes in a statewide recount of overvotes and undervotes, more than enough to wipe out Bush's 537-vote advantage. Even using only undervotes, Gore would have picked up anywhere from 850 to 960 votes depending on which paper's numbers are used, still enough to carry Florida.

Here's a guide to the recounts in each county. The newspaper doing the recount is noted in parentheses:

Bradford County over- and undervotes: Gore +4 (Orlando Sentinel)
Charlotte County over- and undervotes: Gore +30 (OS)
Collier County undervotes: Bush +226 (Naples Daily News)
Franklin County over- and undervotes: Gore +3 (OS)
Gadsden County over- and undervotes: Gore +16 (OS)
Gulf County over- and undervotes: Gore +5 (OS)
Hamilton County over- and undervotes: Gore +2 (OS)
Hendry County over- and undervotes: Gore +4 (OS)
Hillsborough County undervotes (includes dimples): Gore +120 (Tampa Tribune)
Jackson County over- and undervotes: Gore +12 (OS)
Lafayette County over- and undervotes: Gore +1 (OS)
Lake County over- and undervotes: Gore +121 (OS)
Levy County over- and undervotes: Bush +2 (OS)
Miami-Dade County undervotes: Gore +49 (Miami Herald consortium)
Miami-Dade undervotes: Bush +6 (Palm Beach Post)
Okeechobee County over- and undervotes: Gore +25 (OS)
Orange County undervotes: Gore +203 (MH)
Osceola County undervotes: Gore + 25 (OS)
Palm Beach overvotes: Gore + 6,600 (PBP)
Palm Beach County undervotes (includes dimples): Gore +682 (PBP)
Palm Beach undervotes: Gore +784 (OS)
Seminole County undervotes: Gore +13 (OS)
Suwannee County over- and undervotes: Gore +5 (OS)
Taylor County over- and undervotes: Gore +9 (OS)

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Ongoing totals, by newspaper, with revised running total in parentheses:
Naples Daily News (Collier County): Bush +226 (Bush +763)
Tampa Times (Hillsborough County): Gore +120 (Bush +417)
Miami Herald (Miami-Dade County): Gore + 49 (Bush +488)
Palm Beach Post under- and overvotes (Palm Beach County): Gore +7,288 (Gore +6,751)
Palm Beach Post undervotes only (Palm Beach County): Gore +682 (Gore +151)
Orlando Sentinel: 1,264 (Gore +727)

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Anthony York

Anthony York is Salon's Washington correspondent.

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