Trump denies stories that he concealed details of his conversation with Putin

Trump adamantly denied stories that he has concealed details about his conversations with Putin from his own staff

By Matthew Rozsa

Staff Writer

Published January 13, 2019 10:00AM (EST)

 (Salon/Benjamin Wheelock/Getty Images)
(Salon/Benjamin Wheelock/Getty Images)

President Donald Trump told Fox News anchor Jeanine Pirro on Saturday evening that a recent report claiming he had concealed information about his private conversations with Vladimir Putin was "all nonsense."

"I'm not keeping anything under wraps, I couldn't care less. I mean, it's so ridiculous. These people make it up," Trump told Pirro late on Saturday in response to a story by The Washington Post that Trump had managed to conceal details of what he said to Putin during their private conversations at five locations over the past two years, according to CNN. The president also asserted that his conversations with Putin were similar to what "every president does — you sit with the president of various countries."

Trump had attempted to cover up the details of what he and Putin discussed by taking the notes away from his own interpreter on at least one occasion, during a meeting in the German city of Hamburg, and overall The Post reported that "there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference."

Although Trump tried to downplay the story's significance by comparing his conversations with Putin with other presidential interactions, The Post made it clear that his unwillingness to allow records of what the two men discussed is at best extremely unorthodox.

"Former U.S. officials said that Trump’s behavior is at odds with the known practices of previous presidents, who have relied on senior aides to witness meetings and take comprehensive notes then shared with other officials and departments," The Post reported.

Trump aroused particular controversy over his actions at the Helsinki summit in July, when he suggested turning over former American ambassador Michael McFaul and British businessman Bill Browder over to Putin. The Russian autocrat has falsely accused McFaul of trying to undermine his regime and has a grudge against Browder for the latter's support of the Magnitsky Act, which has imposed sanctions against Russia's leaders for the nation's human rights violations.

"But let's be clear: What Putin was doing was assigning moral equivalency to a legitimate indictment with lots of evidence against several Russian military intelligence officers for violating American sovereignty in 2016 during the presidential elections, with a completely fabricated, cockamamie story invented by Putin," McFaul told Salon in July. "To even, for a moment, give any kind of dignity to what President Putin proposed was not in America's national interest, from my point of view."

"I have no idea what motivates his behavior," Browder told Salon when asked about what he believes causes Trump to seem so sympathetic to Putin. "All I can say is that the idea that he seemed to entertain for a few days of handing me and 11 Americans over to Vladimir Putin for our work on the Magnitsky Act seemed pretty horrifying."

By Matthew Rozsa

Matthew Rozsa is a professional writer whose work has appeared in multiple national media outlets since 2012 and exclusively at Salon since 2016. His diverse interests are reflected in his interview, including: President Jimmy Carter (1977-1981), Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak (1999-2001), animal scientist and autism activist Temple Grandin, inventor Ernő Rubik, comedian Bill Burr ("F Is for Family"), novelist James Patterson ("The President's Daughter"), epidemiologist Monica Gandhi, theoretical cosmologist Janna Levin, voice actor Rob Paulsen ("Animaniacs"), mRNA vaccine pioneer Katalin Karikó, philosopher of science Vinciane Despret, actor George Takei ("Star Trek"), climatologist Michael E. Mann, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee (2013-present), dog cognition researcher Alexandra Horowitz, Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson (2012, 2016), comedian and writer Larry Charles ("Seinfeld"), Democratic vice presidential nominee Joe Lieberman (2000), Ambassador Michael McFaul (2012-2014), economist Richard Wolff, director Kevin Greutert ("Saw VI"), model Liskula Cohen, actor Rodger Bumpass ("SpongeBob Squarepants"), Senator John Hickenlooper (2021-present), Senator Martin Heinrich (2013-present), Egyptologist Richard Parkinson, Rep. Eric Swalwell (2013-present), media entrepreneur Dan Abrams, actor R. J. Mitte ("Breaking Bad"), theoretical physicist Avi Loeb, biologist and genomics entrepreneur William Haseltine, comedian David Cross ("Scary Movie 2"), linguistics consultant Paul Frommer ("Avatar"), Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (2007-2015), computer engineer and Internet co-inventor Leonard Kleinrock and right-wing insurrectionist Roger Stone.

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