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Rudy’s not really running again in ’12 … is he?

One newspaper says he's looking at it, and now he's suddenly taking jabs at another potential candidate

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Rudy's not really running again in '12 ... is he?Then Republican presidential hopeful, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, speaking during a rally in Polk City, Fla., Sunday, Jan. 20, 2008.

Take it for what it’s worth: Page 6, the New York Post’s gossip sheet, is claiming that Rudy Giuliani is gearing up for a second presidential bid in 2012:

Sources say the tough-talking former mayor “thinks the Republican race will be populated with far-right candidates like Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin and Mike Huckabee, and there’s opportunity for a moderate candidate with a background in national security.”

Giuliani has even scheduled a trip to New Hampshire for next month to meet with constituents in the state that failed him in January 2008, when he placed fourth in the Republican presidential primary.

It’s easy enough to dismiss this, although it’s also worth noting that, just as the Post was hitting the streets this morning,  Giuliani appeared on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” where he took a shot at another potential ’12 GOP candidate, Chris Christie. Asked about the New Jersey governor’s unapologetic absence from his state during the post-Christmas blizzard (he was in Florida with his family), Giuliani replied, “Chris should’ve come back. I mean, if he asked me my advice, I would’ve said ‘They elected you governor, they’ve got an emergency, they expect you to be there.’ You know, you’ve got to be there if you’re a governor, a mayor, or even a president, if it’s important enough.”

Now, as shots go, this is a relatively tame one. And would you really expect Giuliani, a.k.a. Mr. 9/11, to make excuses for any mayor or governor who didn’t think it was important to be on hand for a major emergency event? Still, it is somewhat jarring when you consider the close geographic and professional ties between the men; Giuliani’s ’08 White House campaign was managed by the same operative (Mike DuHaime) who managed Christie’s ’09 effort in New Jersey, and Giuliani actually made several appearances on Christie’s behalf in ’09. Whether there’s room for either Giuliani or Christie in the ’12 GOP race is open for debate; but there’s almost certainly not room for both of them. If Giuliani really is interested in ’12, it’s clearly in his interests to puncture the Christie bubble as quickly as possible.

Of course, I find it doubtful that Giuliani will end up running again, mainly because nothing about his ’08 campaign suggests there’s much of an appetite for him among Republican primary and caucus voters. Plenty of candidates from both parties have run again four years after waging unsuccessful campaigns for presidential nominations, but — except for the Kucinich-type gadflies — they’ve all distinguished themselves the first time out. Ronald Reagan nearly toppled Gerald Ford in the 1976 GOP primaries, which made him the instant frontrunner for 1980; Jerry Brown won five late Democratic primaries and caucuses in 1976, which put him on the radar for 1980; Jesse Jackson earned 3.5 million votes and broke through in several caucuses in 1984, justifying a follow-up run in 1988; Gary Hart battled Walter Mondale all the way to the convention in ’84, which certified him as the ’88 frontrunner (a perch he gave up when the Donna Rice scandal broke in early 1987); Pat Buchanan exceeded expectations in New Hampshire in 1992, making a ’96 effort a no-brainer; Steve Forbes and Lamar Alexander were credible enough in 1996 (remember that when initial New Hampshire returns showed Alexander running ahead of him, Bob Dole told his aides that he’d drop out of the race) to warrant repeat efforts in 2000; and John Edwards’ 2004 near-miss in Iowa (the contest that essentially settled the Democratic nomination) made him an ’08 contender.

Giuliani just doesn’t fit in with this crowd. His campaign began with high poll numbers and plenty of hype, but he was a non-factor in every GOP contest he entered in ’08. His flame-out that evoked memories of John Connally in 1980 and Phil Gramm in 1996 — and neither one of them was ever touted as a White House contender again. The media’s version of Giuliani’s ’08 effort tends to treat his decision to put all of his chips on Florida’s January 29 as his fatal decision; by skipping Iowa, New Hampshire, Michigan and South Carolina, the story goes, he left an opening for John McCain to gain momentum, guaranteeing that Giuliani would be an afterthought to Floridians by the time their primary rolled around. But this version of history ignores the reason why Rudy waited until Florida: It was a last resort strategy necessitated by his slumping standing in Iowa and New Hampshire. As late as the fall of 2007, he was vigorously contesting New Hampshire, with plans for a concerted and pricey late push. But then McCain’s numbers in the state came back to life; Giuliani ultimately decided to try to stretch out the game, rather than making New Hampshire his make-or-break state.

The point is that Giuliani didn’t fail in 2008 because of a bad strategy. His bad strategy was a result of his failure to gain traction in any of the early primary and caucus states. Republican voters, it was clear by the end of 2007, liked him well enough and were happy to have him in their party, but they weren’t about to make a pro-choice, pro-gay rights ex-New York mayor their presidential standard-bearer. Nothing that Giuliani has said or done since ’08 is likely to change this reality. He is not like Bob Dole, who barely registered in the 1980 GOP primaries, then returned to the Senate, became majority leader, and nearly derailed George H.W. Bush in 1988; Giuliani hasn’t reinvented himself since ’08, or given Republicans any reason to view him any differently. If anything, he’s in a worse position as ’12 approaches, with memories of his 9/11 leadership fading.

If Giuliani is actually eying ’12, it’s understandable at a certain level. The GOP field looks wide open; you can make a strong case why any of the major prospective candidates can’t win the nomination. But don’t forget: The same thing was true in late 2007. Back then, the main reason to believe Giuliani could win the nomination was that it was hard to see any of his GOP rivals doing it themselves. And yet, he failed — miserably. Here’s guessing he won’t be back for more punishment in two years.

Steve Kornacki

Steve Kornacki writes about politics for Salon. Reach him by email at SKornacki@salon.com and follow him on Twitter @SteveKornacki

Rudy, Palin endorse controversial N.C. Republican

Ilario Pantano, the ex-Marine who killed two Iraqi prisoners, snags two high-profile endorsements in House race

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Rudy, Palin endorse controversial N.C. RepublicanSarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani

We predicted a while back that North Carolina congressional hopeful Ilario Pantano, if he beats incumbent Rep. Mike McIntryre on Tuesday, will become an instant star on the right-wing of the national GOP. Now it seems that Sarah Palin and Rudy Giuliani smell a winner in Pantano, too.

Both potential 2010 presidential hopefuls have in the last week endorsed Pantano, who is best known for a 2004 episode in which he killed two unarmed Iraqi prisoners (charges were later brought and dropped). He has also embraced the endorsement of anti-Muslim blogger Pamela Geller.

Palin praised Pantano in a Facebook note Tuesday:

Ilario Pantano is another dedicated patriot running for Congress this year. Ilario first swore an oath to defend the Constitution as a 17-year-old Marine. Today, he needs your help to bring common sense back to Washington. … We can win this seat and send a decorated Marine to Congress who will be a strong voice for veterans and active-duty military.

And today Giuliani has put out a statement (which, yes, mentions Sept. 11 within just 10 words):

“Ilario Pantano witnessed the terrorists attacks on 9/11, and having already fought one war for his country he felt compelled to re-join the Marines and defend his country a second time. All of us wanted to do what we could, and many talked about it, but Ilario made bold strong decisions to put himself in harm’s way. Time and time again, Ilario Pantano has chosen country before self and that is why I am proud to endorse him for the US Congress.”

Note that Palin and Giuliani are each playing up Pantano’s time in the military. And Democrats remain virtually silent on what Pantano did in Iraq. That’s an inversion of the dynamic an outside observer might expect, but, as a local analyst told us last month, many in the district see Pantano as a hero.

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Giuliani stumps for Whitman

The former New York City mayor helps the GOP California governor candidate

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Can Rudy Giuliani help Meg Whitman become California’s next governor?

The former New York City mayor and 2008 presidential candidate will appear with his fellow Republican in Los Angeles on Sunday, where they will talk to supporters in the San Fernando Valley.

Giuliani — who took a beating in his quest for the presidential nomination — endorsed Whitman last year. But he wasn’t Whitman’s favorite in the presidential race: She was an economic adviser to candidate Mitt Romney and, later, to GOP nominee John McCain.

Whitman is in a tight race with Democrat Jerry Brown.

Giuliani consulting firm winds down

The former mayor's name-driven consulting firm declines along with Giuliani's status as a national figure

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Giuliani consulting firm winds downFILE - In this Nov. 3, 2006 file photo, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani,left, endorses Rep. Charlie Bass, R-N.H., right, during a special campaign stop at the airport in Nashua, N.H. (AP Photo/Jim Cole, File)(Credit: AP)

Ever wonder what Rudy Giuliani’s been up to lately besides campaigning against the “ground zero mosque”?

Not running a successful consulting business, as it turns out. Maggie Haberman at Politico reports on the winding down of Giuliani’s home for the last eight years, consulting outfit Giuliani Partners:

Giuliani Partners, the consulting business formed by the former mayor shortly after he left City Hall, has vacated the flagship office it had on a floor of the Ernst & Young offices in Times Square for nine years, consolidating space with the ex-candidate’s law practice, sources confirm.

The consulting practice, which took a hit in the wake of his presidential campaign loss and had whittled down to a smaller number of employees, moved into the new space that Bracewell & Giuliani holds last week, the sources said.

Giuliani founded the firm in 2002, taking several City Hall employees with him when his mayoral term ended. Giuliani Partners employees included former Police Commissioner Bernie Kerik, who later resigned from the firm in disgrace — and who is now in federal prison.

At the time Rudy founded the firm, he was riding high as “America’s Mayor” after the Sept. 11 attacks. Here was the pitch he gave the Los Angeles Times in 2002:

The aim of Giuliani Partners, which hopes to bring in at least $20 million a year in revenue, is to show corporations, other cities and large organizations “how we took a $40-billion city that was seen as unmanageable and ran it like a business,” [Giuliani] says.

But the sheen of Giuliani’s mayoral tenure has long since worn off. And, as Haberman notes, his failed presidential campaign also dealt a blow to the consulting enterprise. It’s not really a surprise that a name-driven firm would decline as Giuliani fades as a national figure.

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Rudy: Mosque near Ground Zero a “desecration”

The ex-mayor finally came out against the Muslim center near Ground Zero with an appeal to "decent Muslims"

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Maggie Haberman at Politico notes that Rudy Giuliani has finally come out against the Muslim community center in Lower Manhattan that right-wingers have dubbed the “Ground Zero Mosque.”

Perhaps to make up for his relative lateness to an issue he used to own, Giuliani said on the Jeff Katz radio show a few weeks ago not only that the project is a “desecration” but that “decent Muslims” shouldn’t mind the “Islamist extremist terrorist” label that Giuliani applies to “our enemy.” For Giuliani, the enemy includes the (in fact moderate and progressive) Muslim Americans behind the Cordboa House project in Manhattan.

(Thought experiment: how would the mosque-opposing Anti-Defamation League react if a national politician said “Decent Jews should oppose x”?)

In other Cordoba House news, New York tea party gubernatorial candidate Carl Paladino said that the planned Muslim community center will include a wall “memorializing” the “the faces of the men who flew those aircraft into that building.” As was immediately established by the Albany Times-Union, there will in fact be no terrorist memorial wall.

And the New York Sun, the long-dead Likudnik paper, has now editorialized against Cordoba House on its mostly defunct website. The piece features an interview with the ADL’s Abe Foxman in which he the Sun editorialist praises Sarah Palin. (UPDATE: We read this incorrectly in the first instance — Foxman was apparently interviewed by the Sun but he is not quoted.)

Here’s a flashback from Ben Craw to a simpler time when Rudy Giuliani hadn’t ceded the “September Eleven” issue to wannabes like Palin and Paladino:

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Florida’s unsavory billionaire candidates embarrassing selves

Medicare defrauder Rick Scott says his opponent supports homosexuals and Mike Tyson pal Jeff Greene mocks the Quran

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Florida's unsavory billionaire candidates embarrassing selvesJeff Greene and Rick Scott

As usual, Florida is making a mess of its elections this year. Popular Gov. Charlie Crist was railroaded out of the Republican Party by the right wing, and in the gubernatorial and Senate races, self-funded unsavory billionaires are threatening the preferred candidates of both parties. Both billionaires made headlines for possibly ill-advised statements this week.

In the race for the Republican nomination for governor, Medicare defrauder Rick Scott is on the attack against Attorney General Bill McCollum. Scott’s platform is being a rich person who hates Obamacare. In case that’s not enough to put him on top, he’s now accusing McCollum of being objectively pro-homosexuals.

“McCollum endorsed pro-abortion and pro-homosexual rights candidate Rudy Giuliani for president in 2008 and was a Giuliani campaign leader in Florida,” a Scott consultant wrote in a memo sent to reporters. I am not sure if that is a successful line of attack in Florida, but I guess this year the crazy right-wingers are the ones most energized about the primaries.

Meanwhile, self-funded billionaire real estate investor Jeff Greene is running for the Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate, against poor Kendrick Meek. Greene is not, like Scott, an actual criminal, but he is known for his close personal friendships with criminals like Mike Tyson — the best man at his wedding — and Heidi Fleiss, who crashed with him for a while, once.

Greene is currently under slightly unfair attack for saying “there’s all kinds of this crazy stuff” in the Quran.

But outside of his occasionally dumb statements, the problem with Greene is that I’m not entirely sure how or why he’s a Democrat. (He didn’t used to be one.) There’s been hardly any polling on the primary race, but as of the beginning of the month, Greene and Meek were neck-and-neck in the race to lose to a very tan former Republican.

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