Cacio e pepe pie is an insanely easy pasta dinner to make on nights when you don't feel like cooking

The author of "Why We Cook" reveals the power of pasta in the kitchen

By Mary Elizabeth Williams

Senior Writer

Published March 10, 2021 10:30AM (EST)

Cacio E Pepe (Mary Elizabeth Williams)
Cacio E Pepe (Mary Elizabeth Williams)

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It often feels like the word "cook," both as a noun and verb, is a female thing. Whether stirring a pot or pulling a cake from the oven, the image of the woman at the stove is ubiquitous. It's powerful, and sometimes it's really suffocating.

If you feel this way, you're not alone. Author and illustrator Lindsay Gardner says she also "just started questioning that whole thing" only a few years ago.

"Why do I spend so much time doing it?" she asked. "What does this mean about my identity as a woman that I'm in the kitchen a lot? And then what happens when I don't actually want to be here, and it still has to get done?"

The result of that questioning is "Why We Cook: Women on Food, Identity, and Connection," a new collection of essays, interviews, illustrations and (of course) recipes from the most influential women in the culinary world. In addition to Dorie GreenspanCarla Hall, Priya Krishna, Christina Martinez and Ruth Reichl, "Why We Cook" also features ordinary home cooks like me. It's a beautiful and thoughtful book, a buffet of approaches to the kitchen that show we're all in this together even though we're inevitably doing it a different way.

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"There's so much gray area in this conversation that I don't think gets talked about a lot," Gardner says. "You can love cooking and also really not want to do it sometimes. You can totally respect the art form and be curious about it and also resent having the burden of it in your life. Those two things can exist in the same person — and that's OK."

She adds, "One thing that really stands out is that it's OK to have all of the feelings. In having those conversations, there was so much connection. That actually does stick with me when I am in the kitchen. Whether I'm in a great mood when I'm cooking or when I'm like, 'I really don't know what to make for dinner, and I guess it's going to be pasta and whatever's in the veggie drawer,' I feel there's strength in that."

I do, too. My own desperation dinners often revolve around a similar version of Lindsay's script, and they usually conclude with a baked pasta dish. So I was simultaneously appalled and intrigued when a truly horrifying "SpaghettiOs pie" recently went viral. The first time I watched the clip of a cheerful young woman with a perfect blowout pouring milk — to make this dish "juicy" — into a pie shell filled with the Campbell's staple, I found myself moaning, "Oh, nooooooo," into the void.

She was cheerfully flattening buttered bread with her forearms to form the crust. Her forearms. Is this new wave of gag-inducing cooking videos all an elaborate prank? Or are they sincere culinary attempts? As The Atlantic's Amanda Mull conjectured in February, the answer is probably both. But while the gross-out recipe may be an easy way to rack up clicks, I just need to feed my family. 

I always seem to make too much pasta, resulting in a near omnipresent storage container of plain, cooked noodles somewhere in the back of the fridge. I also always seem to have a variety of assorted hunks of miscellaneous cheeses floating around. Cacio e pepe pie is the perfect solution — a very Italian, incredibly flexible and truly delicious spiffed-up version of mac and cheese. 

There are similar recipes out there that call for blobs of ricotta cheese or outrageous amounts of eggs, but I prefer to tread as lightly as possible so that all of the other good stuff shines. Because black pepper is the star ingredient here, I highly recommend revisiting the whole black pepper you've had rattling around in your grinder since Barack Obama was president. Good black pepper is inexpensive; available at any supermarket, it should be fragrant and a little floral. Don't be shy about it tonight: It has the power to elevate this lazy weeknight dinner into something pretty special.

Cheesy, crusty and very peppery, cacio e pepe is always a very good answer (at least for another meal) for what to make if you love cooking but also don't feel like making dinner. 


Recipe: Baked Cacio e Pepe Pie

Inspired by David Leibovitz and Food & Wine 

Serves: 6 to 8 (Yes, there will be leftovers for lunch!)


  • 1 1/2 cups of whole milk (or the milk of your choice)
  • 1 cup of grated hard cheese like parmesan or romano, plus extra for topping
  • 1 1/2 cups of melting cheese like mozzarella, provolone or Swiss (in any combo you like)
  • 2 eggs
  • 4 (or more!) cloves of minced garlic
  • 1 lb of pasta, cooked (Round is fun, but any shape works!)
  • Black pepper
  • A healthy pinch of red pepper flakes (optional)


  1. Preheat oven to 425 degrees.
  2. Grease a 9" springform pan. Though softened butter is amazing, any oil will do. Wrap foil around the base of the pan, and put it on a baking sheet. (If you don't have a springform pan, substitute a 9" cake pan, cast-iron skillet or baking dish.)
  3. Whisk together your first 5 ingredients in a large bowl. Generously grind in black pepper; add red pepper flakes, if desired.
  4. Add cooked pasta, and stir to coat.
  5. Pour the mixture into your pan. Do not pat the pasta down; you want some crunchy parts. Top with remaining cheese.
  6. Bake for 30 to 40 minutes, until the center is set and the top is lightly browned. (For extra golden color, run under the broiler for 1 to 2 minutes.)
  7. Allow pan to cool, then gently run a knife along the sides of the pan to loosen the pie. Release from springform pan, or simply cut slices straight from your pan or skillet. Top with a very big grind of pepper.

Pro-tip: You should pair this insanely easy pasta dish with a relaxed white wine (if you drink!) and a salad of bitter greens.  


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By Mary Elizabeth Williams

Mary Elizabeth Williams is a senior writer for Salon and author of "A Series of Catastrophes & Miracles."

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