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Santorum: What does McCain know about torture?

The presidential hopeful claims torture survivor John McCain simply doesn't understand how torture works

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Santorum: What does McCain know about torture?Possible 2012 presidential hopeful, former Republican U.S. Sen., Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania speaks during a We the People candidates forum, Saturday, April 30, 2011 in Manchester, NH (AP Photo/Jim Cole)(Credit: Jim Cole)

(UPDATED) John McCain has been on something of a crusade this week on the question of how we found Osama bin Laden, giving speeches and writing Op-Eds outlining his position that it was not torture of detainees that led the U.S. to its man.

Now comes presidential candidate and “enhanced interrogation” supporter Rick Santorum arguing on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show that McCain simply “doesn’t understand how enhanced interrogation works.” Yes, he’s talking about the same John McCain who, in his five and a half years as a prisoner of war in North Vietnam, was interrogated during a program of beatings and torture.

Here’s Santorum:

HH: Now your former colleague, John McCain, said look, there’s no record, there’s no evidence here that these methods actually led to the capture or the killing of bin Laden. Do you disagree with that? Or do you think he’s got an argument?

RS: I don’t, everything I’ve read shows that we would not have gotten this information as to who this man was if it had not been gotten information from people who were subject to enhanced interrogation. And so this idea that we didn’t ask that question while Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was being waterboarded, he doesn’t understand how enhanced interrogation works. I mean, you break somebody, and after they’re broken, they become cooperative. And that’s when we got this information. And one thing led to another, and led to another, and that’s how we ended up with bin Laden.

Santorum is wrong on the facts about Mohammed (more on this below). But what about his assertion about McCain?

Here’s a passage from McCain’s memoir in which he describes being subjected to beatings and telling his interrogators false information in response:

Once my condition had stabilized, my interrogators resumed their work. Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant. Pressed for more useful information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packers offensive line, and said they were members of my squadron. When asked to identify future targets, I simply recited the names of a number of North Vietnamese cities that had already been bombed.

I was occasionally beaten when I declined to give any more information. The beatings were of short duration, because I let out a hair-raising scream whenever they occurred.

In one four-day period, McCain says he was beaten “every two to three hours,” and his arm was broken and ribs cracked. So if nothing else, this is a man who can be said to know how enhanced interrogation works. (Santorum, as far as I can tell, has never been tortured, nor did he serve in the military.)

Khalid Sheik Mohammed, like McCain, also gave bad information after being tortured — a point that McCain himself made in a recent Op-Ed:

“In fact, the use of ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information. He specifically told his interrogators that Abu Ahmed had moved to Peshawar, got married and ceased his role as an al-Qaeda facilitator — none of which was true,” McCain wrote. “I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners sometimes produces good intelligence but often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear — true or false — if he believes it will relieve his suffering.”

(Hat tip: Elon Green)

UPDATE: Greg Sargent asks McCain’s spokeswoman for a response to Santorum, and she emails a single word: ”Who?”

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Justin Elliott is a reporter for ProPublica. You can follow him on Twitter @ElliottJustin

McCain: Torture didn’t lead us to bin Laden

He refuses to join fellow Republicans who say bin Laden's death represents the triumph of "enhanced interrogation"

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McCain: Torture didn't lead us to bin LadenA young McCain being interviewed for U.S. News, April 24, 1973.

Did enhanced interrogation techniques — “torture” — lead us to Osama bin Laden?

The question has been addressed frequently in the past week and a half, by everyone from John Yoo to Glenn Greenwald. The latest public figure to express his opinion on the matter is Arizona Senator John McCain.

In a Washington Post op-ed on Thursday, McCain pushed back powerfully against those on the right, such as former Bush administration Attorney General Michael Mukasey, who suggest that information obtained through torture helped American forces to pinpoint bin Laden.

McCain writes:

I asked CIA Director Leon Panetta for the facts, and he told me the following: The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheik Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times. The first mention of Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti — the nickname of the al-Qaeda courier who ultimately led us to bin Laden — as well as a description of him as an important member of al-Qaeda, came from a detainee held in another country, who we believe was not tortured. None of the three detainees who were waterboarded provided Abu Ahmed’s real name, his whereabouts or an accurate description of his role in al-Qaeda. In fact, the use of “enhanced interrogation techniques” on Khalid Sheik Mohammed produced false and misleading information.

He goes on to make a more personal point:

I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners … often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear — true or false — if he believes it will relieve his suffering. Often, information provided to stop the torture is deliberately misleading.

As is well known, the senator was a prisoner of war in North Vietnam for more than five years, during which time he suffered both physical and psychological torture. In an account published in U.S. News in 1973, he explained that he had provided a false confession himself after reaching his “breaking point:”

They wanted a statement saying that I was sorry for the crimes that I had committed against North Vietnamese people and that I was grateful for the treatment that I had received from them. …

I held out for four days. Finally, I reached the lowest point of my 5½ years in North Vietnam. I was at the point of suicide, because I saw that I was reaching the end of my rope.

I said, O.K., I’ll write for them.

They took me up into one of the interrogation rooms, and for the next 12 hours we wrote and rewrote. The North Vietnamese interrogator, who was pretty stupid, wrote the final confession, and I signed it. It was in their language, and spoke about black crimes, and other generalities. It was unacceptable to them. But I felt just terrible about it. I kept saying to myself, “Oh, God, I really didn’t have any choice.” I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine.

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So this is John McCain’s reward

Never let it be said that the Arizona senator has nothing to show for behaving like a sore loser

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So this is John McCain's rewardU.S. Sen. John McCain, (R-Ariz.) speaks to volunteers at his campaign headquarters Monday, Nov. 1, 2010 in Phoenix. (AP Photo/Matt York)(Credit: Matt York)

The man who once voted against George W. Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthy, teamed up with Chuck Schumer on gun legislation, demanded that patients be given wide latitude to sue health insurers,  and called Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson “agents of intolerance” has just been crowned … the most conservative member of the United States Senate.

Well, OK, technically the venerable National Journal’s annual rankings produced an eight-way tie for the honor, but John McCain can still claim a piece of the crown (along with Jim DeMint, Mike Crapo, Saxby Chambliss, John Cornyn, John Thune, Jim Risch and John Barrasso).

In a way, of course, this was inevitable. McCain’s transformation from every Democrat’s favorite Republican to reflexively anti-Obama ideologue has been well-chronicled. Some have argued that McCain is simply returning to his ideological roots; he was elected to Congress as a Goldwater conservative and actually voted against the Martin Luther King holiday in 1983, after all. Others have noted that he faced an imperative to move sharply to the right in order to survive J.D. Hayworth’s primary challenge this past summer.

The reality, as I’ve noted, is that McCain’s ideological shifts over the years seem to track closely with his grudges.

When he began running for president in 2000, don’t forget, his issue positions were uniformly conservative, with one exception: campaign finance reform, a crusade that put him at odds with some of the most powerful forces on the right, who rallied behind George W. Bush. The issue itself meant little to most voters, but the heat that it generated from the right signaled partisan and ideological disloyalty to the party base — and prompted Democrats to see McCain as refreshingly principled.

When the campaign ended, McCain by all measures felt personally wounded by the Bush campaign’s tactics and began drifting toward Bush’s Democratic enemies. This was the John McCain who opposed the Bush tax cuts, discovered environmentalism, lobbied for a strong patients’ bill of rights, partnered with Schumer, and flirted with switching parties (or waging a Teddy Roosevelt-style independent bid for president in 2004). Not coincidentally, his embrace of all of these new causes made life difficult for the man who’d beaten him in 2000, Bush.

Since the ’08 campaign, McCain has treated Obama roughly the same way. It’s not just that McCain opposed, say, the stimulus or healthcare reform; it’s that he established himself early on as one of the administration’s loudest, harshest and most unrelenting critics. And this posture continued long after McCain crushed Hayworth in last August’s primary — remember how bitterly McCain resisted efforts to end the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy all the way through December, when it was finally (and barely) voted down by the Senate? McCain’s transformation has clearly been about more than shoring up his standing on the right to avoid primary challenges.

The more interesting question is what this will mean for his legacy. As James Fallows noted in December, when McCain was fighting DADT repeal with all his might:

I have been trying to think of a comparable senior public figure who, in the later stages of his or her career, narrowed rather than broadened his view of the world and his appeals to history’s judgment. I’m sure there are plenty (on two minutes’ reflection, I’ll start with Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh), but the examples that immediately come to mind go the other way.

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McCain says the time for Mubarak to leave has come

Arizona senator urges free elections and transparency in Egypt, but worries about extremist organizations

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McCain says the time for Mubarak to leave has comeSen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and wife Cindy arrive at a memorial service for the victims of Saturday's shootings at McKale Center on the University of Arizona campus Wednesday, Jan. 12, 2011, in Tucson, Ariz. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)(Credit: AP)

Sen. John McCain says the United States has to do “a better job of encouraging democracy” in the Middle East in light of the public uprising in Egypt.

The Arizona Republican tells CBS’s “The Early Show” that U.S. officials have correctly called for an orderly transition away from President Hosni Mubarak. McCain said the situation in Egypt is “fraught with danger” and said he worries about “the influence of extremist organizations.”

The Republican, who met with Obama at the White House Wednesday, said nevertheless that Washington must push for free elections, even if they result in lifting Islamist elements. McCain said that American officials also have to be concerned about “the threat of a repeat of the election in Gaza,” where Hamas, considered a terrorist organization, emerged with newfound powers.

Interviewed on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” McCain said “the time has come” for Mubarak to work out a transition of power that “has the army, pro-democracy elements and others in a transition government.”

“The best opportunity for a pro-democracy government and not a radical, Islamic government is an open, transparent process,” the senator said. “This virus spreading through the Middle East proves the human yearnings, and probably the only place you won’t see the demonstrations is Iraq.”

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Mark Salter, embittered McCain aide with “writer’s block,” wrote “O”

The man who invented the Maverick myth is the "Anonymous" behind the not-well-reviewed campaign novel

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Mark Salter, the man who invented the myth of John McCain, wrote the book “O,” according to people who care about who wrote the book “O.”

“O” is an anonymous political novel about Barack Obama running for reelection in 2012. The book is a dramatic, insider’s account of how the people who run presidential campaigns find Arianna Huffington annoying.

Speaking of annoying, this “news” was sort of broken by Mark Halperin, though Salter has not confirmed it. (And why would he? The book has not been well-reviewed.)

There were some clues. Mark Salter fancies himself a literary type. He ghost-wrote John McCain’s various books. “O’s” opponent in the book is an honorable military type with no glaring and obvious personal flaws. (It is sort of McCain plus Romney, I guess. I have only skimmed it.) A Democrat might’ve written a book more critical of the way the Republican Party runs campaigns.

In a summer New York magazine story partially about how nu-John McCain has disappointed the man who crafted his modern public persona, we’re told Salter retreated to Maine, to stew in his bitterness and “try his hand at writing fiction.” But the Daily Beast claimed that Mark Salter would not write a thinly veiled novel about the 2008 campaign, because he has writer’s block.

Mark Salter, John McCain’s co-author, and the man most credited with helping him shape his image as an iconic American hero—a maverick willing to buck orthodoxy in the name of principle (an image that McCain is in the process dismantling in his bitter primary fight)—has scrapped his plans to write fiction, and gone back to reality.

“I tried writing fiction after the ’08 campaign ended. I didn’t have the talent for it, and returned to more reliably lucrative speechwriting,” Salter told The Daily Beast in an email.
[...]
Salter said he “gave it up altogether because the kind of writers I admire have so much more talent than I do that it discouraged me from believing that I could write anything a tenth as good as they do.”

Right. Well, it’s not Joe Klein unambiguously denying authorship of “Primary Colors,” but it’s still funny.

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Gays cheer ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ repeal

Activists commend the advancement of civil rights

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Gays cheer 'don't ask, don't tell' repealSen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., hugs "Don't Ask Don't Tell" supporter Eric Alva, a former Marine, near the floor of the Senate on an unusual Saturday session on Capitol Hill in Washington Saturday, Dec. 18, 2010. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)(Credit: AP)

Word that the world’s top military power will allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military is bringing strong and swift reaction across the country.

Supporters say the Senate vote repealing the 17-year-old policy known as “don’t ask, don’t tell” signals a historic civil rights milestone.

Detractors insist it could weaken the armed forces.

In New York City’s Times Square, 28-year-old public health researcher Cassandra Melnikow (MEHL’-nih-koh) is praising the repeal and says, “It’s about time.”

But Kris Mineau (MEE’-noh) of the conservative Massachusetts Family Institute says Congress is “gambling with our national security over political correctness.”

The measure now goes to President Barack Obama for his signature.

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